"Harry Clampers" ... eh, what?

[Airist]

Apologies if this has come up before, but does anyone know the origin of the term "Harry Clampers" for a thick fog / carp vis? The question came up in a group of varying ages and backgrounds and no-one had a clue. A quick Google suggests it's almost certainly an RAF expression, but produced nothing more than that.

Thanks, all.

[J.A.F.O.]

Harry is attached to many things in the forces. Harry Staish is the Station Commander, Harry Black is black gaffer tape. Harry clampers is when the weather has clamped in and you can't get out.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Blimey! That anyone even has to ask!

Harry = "very", or other word(s) indicating "considerable" or "extreme".

Clampers. Dear me, do we really have to explain this? Weather clamped down??

Thus "harry clampers" is very dank weather.

"Harry shyters/crappers" is very drunk. Do people do this nowadays?

"Harry mingers" might be used used to indicate how one's, er, discrimination slips when harry shyters.

Harry dangerous = the ride back in in 'Trill's car.

Harry bollocking is what you got off "harry staish" (really? Oh well, maybe Crabs do say that) when the harry minger you got home at 0330 turned out to be his daughter...

"Harry Pusser"= excessively bureaucratic/rigid (RN only) - ie, harry staish at the interview.

geddit?

[Airist]

Thanks, AB. But my question wasn't what the expressions mean, but whether anyone knows their origins or earliest use.

[teeteringhead]

The slang/cant use of -er at the end of a word (or a slight modification of the word) was known as the "Oxford -er" so may well have its origins at the University. "Harry" is a euphemistic intensive, rather like "flipping", "ruddy" or "blooming" to avoid naughty words ..... which is why one doesn't hear many of them these days

I remember hearing "Harry Preggers" for pregnant in my youth, and I'm sure I've read "wagger pagger bagger" for wpb (waste paper basket) somewhere - Wodehouse maybe. And of course "rugger" and "soccer" have that origin too

I'll see if I can find reference for the "Oxford er"

[edited to add]

For once, Wikipedia seems correct and informative....

[Airist]

Thanks, TH. That's extremely helpful.

[FlightlessParrot]

Harry Harrers

Paul Beale, in _A Concise Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English_, edited from _A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English_ by Eric Partridge (London: Routledge, 1989; ISBN 0-415-02807 (hardback--it's also available in paper)), has a quite long article in his Appendix on "HARRY as a meaningless prefix" (p.525). The gist whereof is that he takes it as originally RN usage, starting from a slang expression "to drink at [Henry] Freeman's quay." By some route it got to be attached to other terms, always with the '-ers' stuck on the end, so he quotes a description of the English Channel off Dunkirk in 1940 as Harry flatters. He also notes the extension of the expression from the services to the "young, smart set" in the late '50s. I recollect that at University, when I was wasting my time rowing rather ineffectually about 1963-4, the college First VIII had a call for a spurt of "Harry clappers, chappers" which, to tell the truth, the rest of us thought was a bit OTT.

Speaking of wasting time, Beale's revision of Partridge is a wonderful book to get lost in. In the appendix, he also has a pretty full account of the "Oxford -er," which apparently started at Rugby School.

[Dick Whittingham]

Teeteringhead brings in an example of the "eggy peggy" language in which, by adding "eggy" to each syllable "electricity" becomes "eggy leggy treggy ceggy teggy" Or something like that. Your skill, or not, at this could decide your status in the school yard

Dick

[mustpost]

could decide your status in the school yard

Indeed it did, albeit in Scotland I remember it as 'ig' language...

[Taff Missed]

Hari clampers.

I believe it probably originated in the FEAF many years ago. 'Hari' is Malay and Indonesian for 'day'. If the weather was bad, or 'clamped', the day was 'hari clampers'.

Taff

[J.A.F.O.]

YouTube - Monty Python RAF Banter

[virgo]

"Clamping" used to be the original term (1903 onward) for picketing or tying an aircraft down when not in use - to stop it blowing away.

If the weather was foggy, the aircraft would all be "clamped".

The "harry" is a corruption of "Hoorah" or "hooray" which would precede the "Clampers" because we could all go back to the bar or pub.

[Riverboat]

Brilliant thread! About time we had something intelligent to read. I wonder if "hari" is really where Harry comes from - makes sense.