Miles monoplane landing at Heston Airport
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Hello A30yoyo... great to see and hear more Heston memories and correspondence!!
How did you fair searching for Heston Airport bar?? I have a few very poor pictures and some contemporary descriptions which I am happy to share if you need them?.... likewise do you have any pictures (inside the building especially rare!!) ??
I too have read a similar article which referred to a B17. which although never based at Heston i am aware of at lest two that visited. whilst searching for th article (which I still cant find!!) i came across this...
Can anyone add anything??
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Another Heston thread I came across searching for 'Heston Airport Bar' was the presence of the USAF 3903 Radar Bomb Scoring Unit.... SAC the USN and the RAF did simulated runs in the area at altitude ....
their is also a similar account by a young girl I think on one of the BBC's People at War web projects I think.... has anybody attempted to list all the crashes at Heston in WWII?
have recently discovered that I started plane spotting at a younger age than I had remembered. About two years ago (2003) I saw an article in a local paper by an aviation artist who had retired from British Airways. He had painted a picture of a Boeing B.17 Flying Fortress bomber. I think it was given that name because it carried so many guns for self-defence. When he put some of his paintings in a Art Show someone asked him, “Did you see the B.17 that crashed at Heston during WWII”. He had not seen it but put a letter in the paper asking for anyone who had seen it to contact him.
I was plane spotting at Heston that day, aged almost twelve. It was 6th September 1943, two days before my twelfth birthday. Heston was the Fairey Aviation Company flight test airfield at that time. Most of the aircraft parts were made in a factory at Hayes and assembled at Heston. .The airfield was the largest in West London and it was from there that Neville Chamberlain flew to Munich to talk to Adolf Hitler in 1939. Fighter aircraft for Royal Navy aircraft carriers were made at Heston and these had only one engine. On this particular day I heard a large aircraft with four engines sounding very rough approaching the airfield. I noticed that some of the engines had stopped and the other two did not sound very good and the aircraft was obviously in trouble. It was going to land whether it crashed or not as the engines did not sound as though they were going to run for much longer. The B.17 was just a little above the ground when it went out of sight behind the hangar and I heard a loud thud and just hoped that the crew had escaped. The aircraft was aiming for Heston but landed in a field just outside Heston airfield. An article by one of the crew members says, “During a raid on Stuttgart we were hit by flak (anti-aircraft shells) and attacked by FW 190 fighters after bombs away, losing both starboard engines.
Lt Kney (Captain) ordered “lighten the ship” and we ditched all removeable items. Reaching the English Channel we adopted crash positions in the radio room. The aircraft seemed to be doing OK so Lt Kney opted to attempt a forced landing at RAF Heston.
Upon our approach we lost the third engine, overshooting the runway we lost the fourth engine. We made a gear down landing on waste ground ( the rear gunner says a wheatfield) and came to an abrupt stop,when we hit an anti-glider stake, which embedded itself into our port wing root”.
Local householders came out with tea, sandwiches and cakes, saying , “Well done Yanks” I have since met only two people who saw the crash. One was a Foreman at British Airways and the other I met on a coach when members of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers visited RAF St Athan.
I wrote to Mr Peter Caines and he kindly sent me some most interesting information.
He was able to tell me that the crew had all survived the crash without any injuries. The aircraft had been salvaged and repaired and flew again but was shot down during a raid on Schweinfurt in Germany on 14th October 1943. The crew were very fortunate once again as they all survived as prisoners of war and returned to America when the war ended. Peter Caines also sent me a photo of the crew, two pictures of the aircraft, which was named “Big Moose”, and an article written by the rear gunner and published in a magazine. I was very pleased to know, after 60 years, that the crew had all survived.
I was plane spotting at Heston that day, aged almost twelve. It was 6th September 1943, two days before my twelfth birthday. Heston was the Fairey Aviation Company flight test airfield at that time. Most of the aircraft parts were made in a factory at Hayes and assembled at Heston. .The airfield was the largest in West London and it was from there that Neville Chamberlain flew to Munich to talk to Adolf Hitler in 1939. Fighter aircraft for Royal Navy aircraft carriers were made at Heston and these had only one engine. On this particular day I heard a large aircraft with four engines sounding very rough approaching the airfield. I noticed that some of the engines had stopped and the other two did not sound very good and the aircraft was obviously in trouble. It was going to land whether it crashed or not as the engines did not sound as though they were going to run for much longer. The B.17 was just a little above the ground when it went out of sight behind the hangar and I heard a loud thud and just hoped that the crew had escaped. The aircraft was aiming for Heston but landed in a field just outside Heston airfield. An article by one of the crew members says, “During a raid on Stuttgart we were hit by flak (anti-aircraft shells) and attacked by FW 190 fighters after bombs away, losing both starboard engines.
Lt Kney (Captain) ordered “lighten the ship” and we ditched all removeable items. Reaching the English Channel we adopted crash positions in the radio room. The aircraft seemed to be doing OK so Lt Kney opted to attempt a forced landing at RAF Heston.
Upon our approach we lost the third engine, overshooting the runway we lost the fourth engine. We made a gear down landing on waste ground ( the rear gunner says a wheatfield) and came to an abrupt stop,when we hit an anti-glider stake, which embedded itself into our port wing root”.
Local householders came out with tea, sandwiches and cakes, saying , “Well done Yanks” I have since met only two people who saw the crash. One was a Foreman at British Airways and the other I met on a coach when members of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers visited RAF St Athan.
I wrote to Mr Peter Caines and he kindly sent me some most interesting information.
He was able to tell me that the crew had all survived the crash without any injuries. The aircraft had been salvaged and repaired and flew again but was shot down during a raid on Schweinfurt in Germany on 14th October 1943. The crew were very fortunate once again as they all survived as prisoners of war and returned to America when the war ended. Peter Caines also sent me a photo of the crew, two pictures of the aircraft, which was named “Big Moose”, and an article written by the rear gunner and published in a magazine. I was very pleased to know, after 60 years, that the crew had all survived.
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Amazing to find some recollection of motorsport at Heston. Yes, what I saw was on a section of peri track that ended near the top of the school playing field. It was a section that involved a U turn where the track ended and ruining back towards the start.
see The Airfields Of Greater London Heston and zoom into where the M4 passes under North Hyde Lane...
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Hopefully this can help a little, There's some nice ariel shots of Heston, Hendon and Heathrow at this link :-
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I can't find a "quote" button on this forum and I can't manipulate the aerial photo. So, apart from me being rubbish at using this forum....
Do you mean the straight bit of road leading east from the M4 eastbound Heston Services to North Hyde Lane (north of the slip road back on to the M4 from the service area)? That is the "service" road into the Service Area. No doubt it's got a locked gate now but 30 years ago I routinely used it to get off the M4 eastbound at Heston. There was (is?) an equivalent road in the westbound services that exits at the western end and doubles back, eventually out to Cranford Lane. I used to get on to the M4 westbound that way.... (No, I deny it....)
The bit of peri track used for sprints was yards from the north west corner of the Berkley School playing field. It now seems to have become a cul de sac of houses from that aerial photo. It wasn't a U shaped bend, it was a bit of track that ended at the gravel pits/landfill, so cars turned 180 round a cone and went back down the same bit of track towards the airport buildings (by then occupied by the MoA).
Just to avoid any potential for confusion, a "sprint" is cars running singly against the clock, not racing each other on the same piece of track, so a car can do its run and finish (or in this case return to the start/finish)before the next car starts its run.
Do you mean the straight bit of road leading east from the M4 eastbound Heston Services to North Hyde Lane (north of the slip road back on to the M4 from the service area)? That is the "service" road into the Service Area. No doubt it's got a locked gate now but 30 years ago I routinely used it to get off the M4 eastbound at Heston. There was (is?) an equivalent road in the westbound services that exits at the western end and doubles back, eventually out to Cranford Lane. I used to get on to the M4 westbound that way.... (No, I deny it....)
The bit of peri track used for sprints was yards from the north west corner of the Berkley School playing field. It now seems to have become a cul de sac of houses from that aerial photo. It wasn't a U shaped bend, it was a bit of track that ended at the gravel pits/landfill, so cars turned 180 round a cone and went back down the same bit of track towards the airport buildings (by then occupied by the MoA).
Just to avoid any potential for confusion, a "sprint" is cars running singly against the clock, not racing each other on the same piece of track, so a car can do its run and finish (or in this case return to the start/finish)before the next car starts its run.
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The WWII perimeter track is in dotted lines on the map I sent to Collectair...the section parallel to The Vale was dug out in the mid fifties so I think it is correct car trials could only be done as far as the kink by the Berkeley School playing field....I can only personally remember the slow speed manouevering competitions which took place in front of the hangars on the wider tarmac (sorry the map didn't attach)try the link
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It would have been from the direction of the airport buildings, round that long looping bend on your map and turning back 180 at a point level with the north side of the school field, about the base of the "T" in Heston, where the gravel pit/landfill began at that time. IIRC there was a large earth bank at the end of the track between it and the water of the gravel pit (which was rather convenient to stop cars taking an early bath but was just top soil from when the pit was dug out rather than a deliberate safety barrier)
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I am puzzled by the canal spur that shows on the old maps and which has been mentioned in these forums.
Was it ever actually fully built and connected to the Grand Junction (Union) Canal (is 'built' the right word for a canal - 'navigated' maybe)?
I was brought up in the area in the fifties and sixties and can't figure out how the spur could have linked up to the main part of the canal where it is shown as there was no bridge that I recall (or even room for one I don't think) on Wentworth Road near North Hyde Lane that it could have passed under. Also its course on the map shows it passing through what is an open grassy space in North Hyde Lane (in front of a row of houses set back from the road - still there on the current aerial pic) before its right angled turn (on the map) into the aerodrome (about where I can recall an old nissen type wartime shed or something having been for many years - used by a small engineering company I seem to recall). A family friend lived in one of those houses and I don't recall any mention of a canal spur - though I suppose the question never came up.
I have a vague recollection that there may have been a depression which may have been the part filled in (or uncompleted) course of the canal behind and parallel to the houses in Wentworth Road (about where Convent Way was built).
I also think there was a minor widening of the canal at about the point where it shows the spur joining the main canal near the North Hyde Lane canal bridge (almost opposite the Old Oak Tree pub) as if a start had been made on a junction but it didn't seem to go anywhere, or have anywhere to go, as far as I can recall. I do remember, as a child, idly wondering why the widening was there.
Was it ever actually fully built and connected to the Grand Junction (Union) Canal (is 'built' the right word for a canal - 'navigated' maybe)?
I was brought up in the area in the fifties and sixties and can't figure out how the spur could have linked up to the main part of the canal where it is shown as there was no bridge that I recall (or even room for one I don't think) on Wentworth Road near North Hyde Lane that it could have passed under. Also its course on the map shows it passing through what is an open grassy space in North Hyde Lane (in front of a row of houses set back from the road - still there on the current aerial pic) before its right angled turn (on the map) into the aerodrome (about where I can recall an old nissen type wartime shed or something having been for many years - used by a small engineering company I seem to recall). A family friend lived in one of those houses and I don't recall any mention of a canal spur - though I suppose the question never came up.
I have a vague recollection that there may have been a depression which may have been the part filled in (or uncompleted) course of the canal behind and parallel to the houses in Wentworth Road (about where Convent Way was built).
I also think there was a minor widening of the canal at about the point where it shows the spur joining the main canal near the North Hyde Lane canal bridge (almost opposite the Old Oak Tree pub) as if a start had been made on a junction but it didn't seem to go anywhere, or have anywhere to go, as far as I can recall. I do remember, as a child, idly wondering why the widening was there.
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I have a vague recollection that there may have been a depression which may have been the part filled in (or uncompleted) course of the canal behind and parallel to the houses in Wentworth Road (about where Convent Way was built).
The picture was taken in 1964 during the construction of the M4
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I have been quizzing my mother who is still alive and kicking at 96 - and who has a very good memory of the period - and she is quite certain there was no canal spur to the aerodrome at any time (on the route shown on the OS map at least) from about 1938 onwards when she moved into the area.
Friends of hers (one of whom worked for Heston Aircraft) lived in a house in North Hyde Lane near Wentworth Road, in front of which, the canal spur is shown passing on the map, and she can never recall anything other than the current open space being there. So, if the canal spur ever existed it must have been from before that time and filled in when new housing was built around North Hyde Road and Wentworth Road.
The canal's purpose seems a little unclear to me unless it dated from the 1920s BEFORE the aerodrome was built when a lot of the land in the area was clay brickfields. It seems logical that barges may have hauled bricks to the growing London suburbs of that time but I can't picture why an aerodrome would need a canal.
Anyway, it seems the 1947 OS map may be in error - possibly, I imagine, because the aerodrome was still under military control and accurate civilian mapping was discouraged (or the surveying was just not very thorough in the immediate post war period and old info was used).
Out of interest her main memory of the aerodrome was from the war years when the loud, nearby, anti-aircraft guns there gave plenty of ongoing and scary background noise during air raids which, in particular, terrified her dog and didn't do much for the nerves of the humans either! I am pretty sure my late father (ex RAF) once mentioned that Hurricanes operated from Heston for part of the war and, I might be wrong, but I think he suggested that some of Northolt's Polish Air Force contingent spent some of the war there - or at least were frequent visitors.
Friends of hers (one of whom worked for Heston Aircraft) lived in a house in North Hyde Lane near Wentworth Road, in front of which, the canal spur is shown passing on the map, and she can never recall anything other than the current open space being there. So, if the canal spur ever existed it must have been from before that time and filled in when new housing was built around North Hyde Road and Wentworth Road.
The canal's purpose seems a little unclear to me unless it dated from the 1920s BEFORE the aerodrome was built when a lot of the land in the area was clay brickfields. It seems logical that barges may have hauled bricks to the growing London suburbs of that time but I can't picture why an aerodrome would need a canal.
Anyway, it seems the 1947 OS map may be in error - possibly, I imagine, because the aerodrome was still under military control and accurate civilian mapping was discouraged (or the surveying was just not very thorough in the immediate post war period and old info was used).
Out of interest her main memory of the aerodrome was from the war years when the loud, nearby, anti-aircraft guns there gave plenty of ongoing and scary background noise during air raids which, in particular, terrified her dog and didn't do much for the nerves of the humans either! I am pretty sure my late father (ex RAF) once mentioned that Hurricanes operated from Heston for part of the war and, I might be wrong, but I think he suggested that some of Northolt's Polish Air Force contingent spent some of the war there - or at least were frequent visitors.
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Miles monoplane landing at Heston
Last week I managed to visit the owner of the Miles Hawk Trainer G-ADWT which according to my records most probably was the aircraft which landed at
Heston. He graciously showed me all the aircraft records and historical
photos pertaining to the Hawk over a number of years, but unfortunately the old logbook from previous pilots, which might have detailed the landing there was missing when he purchased DWT. So it rather looks that after all these years unless someone who used to work for Heston Aircraft, the M.T.C.A. (Southern Divn.) or Fairey Aviation are still alive and not too decrepid, has the answer, this will remain a mystery.
One possibility however may be the fact that various aircraft flew into Heston
earlier to have Fairey metal propellers fitted when the airfield was still open, for instance Prince Bira, a famous racing driver from Siam (now Thailand) had his new Miles Gemini fitted with these sometime in the 40's, and I can remember a red Gemini taking off from Heston around 1952/3 which may well have had the same installation by Fairey's.
Heston. He graciously showed me all the aircraft records and historical
photos pertaining to the Hawk over a number of years, but unfortunately the old logbook from previous pilots, which might have detailed the landing there was missing when he purchased DWT. So it rather looks that after all these years unless someone who used to work for Heston Aircraft, the M.T.C.A. (Southern Divn.) or Fairey Aviation are still alive and not too decrepid, has the answer, this will remain a mystery.
One possibility however may be the fact that various aircraft flew into Heston
earlier to have Fairey metal propellers fitted when the airfield was still open, for instance Prince Bira, a famous racing driver from Siam (now Thailand) had his new Miles Gemini fitted with these sometime in the 40's, and I can remember a red Gemini taking off from Heston around 1952/3 which may well have had the same installation by Fairey's.
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mles monoplane landing at Heston Airport
Since 1951 when I first became interested in aviation, I have seen a total of
9 aircraft using HestonAirport since the official closure in 1947. Although
it appears likely that the movements records for this airfield have not survived, at least I can account for the following aircraft in addition to the Miles Hawk Trainer on these pages.
In cronological date order, these were:
09 June 1951- 5 aircraft from the Airways Aero Association, Denham for the BOAC Sports Festival (see separate pages) G-ACIT DH Dragon, Auster Aiglet,
reg. unknown, G-ALOX DH Tiger Moth and 2 Miles Hawk Trainers, including G-AKKV (see: www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1018874)
ca. 1952/53 Swiss Messerschmidt ME108 Taifun, HB-DUB (a fast ship !)
ca. 1953/54 red/silver Miles Gemini, reg unidentified, taking off over Cranford end (possibly after having Fairey Metal propellors fitted)
1955/56 Miles Hawk Trainer, believed to be G-ADWT
May/59 Westland Widgeon, G-ANLW which collected 3 MTCA officials at Heston enroute from Yeovil to the new Battersea Heliport in order to make the first landing there prior to its official opening.
04/03/63 Bristol 171 G-AMWH British European Airways
Sept 1964 Augusta Bell Ranger helicopter, G-ASNV (see www.ab-pic.co.uk/photo/11115128/
Other helicopters may well have included the Fairey Gyrodyne and possibly the Rotordyne since the Company had their premises here and at Hayes.
My final report is taken from Tim Sherwood's excellent book "Coming Into Land" which details the history of Heston, Hanworth, Hounslow and the original Heathrow (Great Western) airfields and is purchaseable from Hounslow Library.
This mentions the departure of a Board of Trade helicopter from HestonAirport to Sevenoaks on the 06 June 1978 after the CAA had vacated their offices there.
9 aircraft using HestonAirport since the official closure in 1947. Although
it appears likely that the movements records for this airfield have not survived, at least I can account for the following aircraft in addition to the Miles Hawk Trainer on these pages.
In cronological date order, these were:
09 June 1951- 5 aircraft from the Airways Aero Association, Denham for the BOAC Sports Festival (see separate pages) G-ACIT DH Dragon, Auster Aiglet,
reg. unknown, G-ALOX DH Tiger Moth and 2 Miles Hawk Trainers, including G-AKKV (see: www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1018874)
ca. 1952/53 Swiss Messerschmidt ME108 Taifun, HB-DUB (a fast ship !)
ca. 1953/54 red/silver Miles Gemini, reg unidentified, taking off over Cranford end (possibly after having Fairey Metal propellors fitted)
1955/56 Miles Hawk Trainer, believed to be G-ADWT
May/59 Westland Widgeon, G-ANLW which collected 3 MTCA officials at Heston enroute from Yeovil to the new Battersea Heliport in order to make the first landing there prior to its official opening.
04/03/63 Bristol 171 G-AMWH British European Airways
Sept 1964 Augusta Bell Ranger helicopter, G-ASNV (see www.ab-pic.co.uk/photo/11115128/
Other helicopters may well have included the Fairey Gyrodyne and possibly the Rotordyne since the Company had their premises here and at Hayes.
My final report is taken from Tim Sherwood's excellent book "Coming Into Land" which details the history of Heston, Hanworth, Hounslow and the original Heathrow (Great Western) airfields and is purchaseable from Hounslow Library.
This mentions the departure of a Board of Trade helicopter from HestonAirport to Sevenoaks on the 06 June 1978 after the CAA had vacated their offices there.
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The canal's purpose seems a little unclear to me
I would suggest that the canal branch was originally built to move bricks out of this area to central London it was then back filled with general household refuse. This was a common practice and dated from the 1900's. There is a similar site adjacent to the canal at West Drayton.
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I came across this fascinating site when exploring Heston, Hanworth and Hounslow aerodromes.
At the bottom of the page there are maps and further information about the canal extension.
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At the bottom of the page there are maps and further information about the canal extension.
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Miles aircraft landing at Heston Airport
The ever elusive mystery landing at dusk of the Miles Hawk Major (most likely
G-ADWT in 1955) may possibly be solved in part. Although the current owner of
this aircraft was unable to find any record of a landing at Heston in his aircraft logbook, it would appear that the owner at this time being Cartwright-Hamilton Aviation,based at Croydon were a subsidary company of Fairey Aviation. This being so then the reason
for this impromptu visit could have been a liason meeting with Fairey Aviation either that evening or following day, since the aircraft was towed into Hestair's hangar and the doors shut for the night.
Cartwight Hamilton were aviation consultants and dealing with aircraft brokerage and spares to commercial operators and private owners. The period 1955/6 and the fact that it was probably in the autumn/winter between November and February when the sun set times most meet the criteria from when I remember seeing the aircraft land. Also another possibilty could have been the pilot running out of VFR and setting down due to that, or even airline traffic at LHR meaning that a short 16 mile dash to Croydon across the LHR approach could have meant ATC problems-even assuming that he had some means of radio communication.
All of course is debatable.
None of the other Miles aircraft G-ADMW or HKY, ( CYO crashed late 1954) seem to fit the solution quite as well as DWT.
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G-ADWT in 1955) may possibly be solved in part. Although the current owner of
this aircraft was unable to find any record of a landing at Heston in his aircraft logbook, it would appear that the owner at this time being Cartwright-Hamilton Aviation,based at Croydon were a subsidary company of Fairey Aviation. This being so then the reason
for this impromptu visit could have been a liason meeting with Fairey Aviation either that evening or following day, since the aircraft was towed into Hestair's hangar and the doors shut for the night.
Cartwight Hamilton were aviation consultants and dealing with aircraft brokerage and spares to commercial operators and private owners. The period 1955/6 and the fact that it was probably in the autumn/winter between November and February when the sun set times most meet the criteria from when I remember seeing the aircraft land. Also another possibilty could have been the pilot running out of VFR and setting down due to that, or even airline traffic at LHR meaning that a short 16 mile dash to Croydon across the LHR approach could have meant ATC problems-even assuming that he had some means of radio communication.
All of course is debatable.
None of the other Miles aircraft G-ADMW or HKY, ( CYO crashed late 1954) seem to fit the solution quite as well as DWT.
Lawrence Hole
