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Old 29th Sep 2009, 16:47
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Not Argentinian
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 18:28
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Hi chaps I came back earlier than expected.
I'm certainly wrong but I have a feeling it is a crop duster and I was thinking at the "Basant" but then I realized it couldn't be...of course knowing the exact engine name would be a useful clue...but then...
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 18:36
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Sorry boys, the reference I have doesn't give an engine type!

Actually it ever received one! Anoyther clue!

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Old 29th Sep 2009, 19:17
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It was burned in a fire before it took off!!!!! RR
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 19:49
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We have an agricultural aeroplane, horizontally opposed engine, probably geared, low winged, tri gear, built on the southern hemisphere in the 1950s, burned before first flight, hopper between firewall and cockpit, swept back outer wing panels. Can't be that many left to look at. Was it destroyed in 1958?
No. Can't be. That was the PL-7. Most interesting, but quite different plane.
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 19:59
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I didn't say it was built in the southern hemisphere, only designed for a requirement IN the southern hemisphere. I do not know the exact date of the fire. Of all of you, you have the best chance of knowing, Sablatnic! RR
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 20:30
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Is it in any way related to Indonesia's Sikumbang?
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 22:09
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It does not seem so, but is it in any way related to John Thorpe and the Fletchers?
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 22:27
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Good thinking sablatnic! Wiki makes mention of an original "open" cockpit version...
The original prototype had a 225 hp (168 kW) engine and open cockpit
PAC Fletcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 22:30
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Sorry boys, not Indonesian and nothing to do with Fletcher - as far as I know! RR

I'd never heard of the Sikumbang but, no, nothing to do with that!

Er Fletcher.... there is a tenious link.......

"Good thinking sablatnic! Wiki makes mention of an original "open" cockpit version..." Ah, that team work thing again. Isn't it great!

Speak to you all in the morning (UK time that is!)

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Old 30th Sep 2009, 09:18
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I have drifted towards a water bomber....

New Zealand....
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 09:23
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Morning!

The requirement was for the NZ Government.

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Old 30th Sep 2009, 11:22
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I was thinking Grumman, but they preferred "round" engines, and the fin is more like North American. 1'm sort of baffled.
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Another clue?: The project stopped in the mid-1950s as a result of a fire that burned out the factory. The manufacturer was European even though it was intended for New Zealand. RR
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 11:55
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Well, from all the clues, my (wild) guess is the SAI KZ-XI?
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 12:03
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Well done Skytrain10! And I thought Sablatnic would have got it! Yes it is the S.A.I. KZ 11 (KZ XI).

Resembling a Fletcher, this aircraft was designed and built to match a New Zealand Government requirement for a general purpose agricultural aircraft. Variously constructed on wood & ply, and steel tubing and alloy panelling it had a 26 Cu Ft tank, low compression Goodyear tyres and two jettisonable drop tanks each of which held 50 gallons. The single seat sat atop the rear spar. An aerial guide tube ran up the centre of the windscreen acting as an aiming sight for dusting.

S.A.I. began work on it in 1953-54 but it was later destroyed in a hangar fire and the type was then never progressed. The drawing I have shows it registered VH-SAI but I think that was a marketing ploy.

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Old 30th Sep 2009, 12:08
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Do any photos exist? It'd be interesting to see, even without the engine. Nicely done skytrain10!
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 12:14
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Thanks RR. Must admit I would not have got there without the most important clue:
- That "sablatnic had the best chance of knowing".
It was then a case of finding Danish manufacturers and a listing of KZ aircraft, and I found one (the KZ-XI) that had no references or photo's!

I'm pretty busy with meetings today but a brief offering follows shortly.
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 12:20
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The only reference I could find was in Air Pictorial dated Oct 1958, which has been sitting here on my desk for weeks! The web gave me nothing! RR
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 12:22
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Thanks Graeme...I couldn't find a photo, or even a desription, but it would be interesting to see.

I'm not at home today, so here's a quick one taken from the web, which I'm presuming should go quickly!?

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