Regional Jet that never made it?
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Regional Jet that never made it?
Anyone know if any company is looking at productiong the Fairchild-Dornier 728 family? In my opinion it was the best looking out of the new Regional Jets.
They had 3 prototypes made, One was complete, the other 2 were for testing. Lufthansa had put in an order for 60 firm and 60 options. Im surprised when Fairchild and Dornier shut down, no other company took over.
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They had 3 prototypes made, One was complete, the other 2 were for testing. Lufthansa had put in an order for 60 firm and 60 options. Im surprised when Fairchild and Dornier shut down, no other company took over.
Any news?
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Well, some chinese company initially took over but they too ran out of funds.
The prototype has been bought by DLR (German Aviavtion Research Institute) to do some testing.
The prototype has been bought by DLR (German Aviavtion Research Institute) to do some testing.
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Not exactly related to your question, but I had the unique oportunity to spend a few hours in the Do-728 prototype D-AEVA that the DLR (German Aerospace Center) bought. It's in a small building at the DLR in Göttingen, and it's in quite good condition. They use it for experiments on cabin climate and I earned some money participating in an early calibration test using the original aircraft systems before they will install new experimental systems. The aircraft still carries Dornier colors and is in quite a good condition. It has Lufthansa seats fitted throughout the cabin. I have only a few crappy exterior pics I took with my mobile phone, here are two of them:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41...A/DSC01107.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41...A/DSC01106.jpg
(Large pics, about 700kb. The building is too small to go further away, so a fisheye would be needed to get a picture of the whole aircraft.)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41...A/DSC01107.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41...A/DSC01106.jpg
(Large pics, about 700kb. The building is too small to go further away, so a fisheye would be needed to get a picture of the whole aircraft.)
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Fairchild-Dornier had a huge configuration-control nightmare, according to a colleague on site. As they rolled out the prototype, the paperwork did not match the hardware in so many areas that it was deemed hugely expensive to fix. Thus it could not be certified - not even for a first flight. 
The potential buyers of the programme threw up their hands in despair.
The potential buyers of the programme threw up their hands in despair.
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The AVRO Canada C-102 Jetliner would have made good on 500-mile stage lengths. It flew years before the Boeing 707, and only a few weeks after the Comet. It had fewer teething problems than the Comet, and everyone except the politicians seemed to like the aircraft.
One of several Canadian aeronautical should-have-beens.
One of several Canadian aeronautical should-have-beens.
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Back in the 70's, a VFW 614 used to spend a lot of time at Patchway doing M45 development flying for Rolls Royce. The overwing engine mounting seemed to make sense for all sorts of reasons, so I'm a little surprised that no-one else has tried it. I'm not sure if ever went into commercial service, but I did see one in Luftwaffe colours several years later
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\well, a quick google revealed a 'Friends of the VFW 614" website based at Bremen Airport...
I like the claim that the VFW 614 is "a special point of resplendence in the history of German aviation"
I like the claim that the VFW 614 is "a special point of resplendence in the history of German aviation"
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I recall an article - probably in the Shell Aero magazine - talking about the 614, with a photo taken from the front portside. A few pages later, there was a photo from the same angle of the F-28.
I did a double-take - the cockpit lines (windscreen, etc.) looked identical! For all I could tell, the cockpits of the F-28 and the VFW614 were built in the same jigs!
I did a double-take - the cockpit lines (windscreen, etc.) looked identical! For all I could tell, the cockpits of the F-28 and the VFW614 were built in the same jigs!
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A VFW614 is currently perched on the roof of Bremen airport. It had a repaint and spruce up a year or so ago.
I imagine that maintenance of an overwing engine would have been a bit of a pain - and I wonder how much the engines liked high AoA?
I imagine that maintenance of an overwing engine would have been a bit of a pain - and I wonder how much the engines liked high AoA?
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Originally Posted by BEagle
A VFW614 is currently perched on the roof of Bremen airport. It had a repaint and spruce up a year or so ago.
I imagine that maintenance of an overwing engine would have been a bit of a pain - and I wonder how much the engines liked high AoA?
I imagine that maintenance of an overwing engine would have been a bit of a pain - and I wonder how much the engines liked high AoA?
One VFW614 is flying for the DLR at Braunschweig - as a fly by wire test aircraft! They seem to like failed German regional jets. Though they recently bought an A320, which might replace the last flying 614.
I seem to remember seeing a 614 of the Flugbereitschaft at Hannover in the 90s.
Would the Baade 152, the first German jetliner, count as a regional jet? It never made it into service, and only three prototypes were built and two were flown. First flight 1958.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baade_B-152
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Avro Canada were post war a very innovative Company and the Jetliner was just one of a number of cutting edge projects they designed and got to the Protoype Stage, but never made it to production for various stated reasons, but from memory always with 'political overtones'.
The picture submitted by 'norwich' is the Avro 706 Ashton Research Aircraft (Total of Six Built), all based on Tudor 2 Airframes, shortened and 'beefed up' structurally. For such a short 'production run' there were 4 Variants: Ashton 1x1 Ashton 2x1 Ashton 3x3 Ashton 4x1 (Source: Avro Aircraft Since 1908 A.J.Jackson).
VFW614. An AIrline (Cimber?) Operated a fleet of these through Gatwick for at least one season and I remember seeing three lined up on a remote stand area. They looked 'pretty', but think the Direct Operaing Costs were too high to make money on the operation, plus a very low Despatch Reliabiality, even for a new type.
A thank you to 'lexif' 'for submitting the Baade B-152 side vew drawings, which make it look a lot less 'ugly' than the B&W Photograph I had seen previously.
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The picture submitted by 'norwich' is the Avro 706 Ashton Research Aircraft (Total of Six Built), all based on Tudor 2 Airframes, shortened and 'beefed up' structurally. For such a short 'production run' there were 4 Variants: Ashton 1x1 Ashton 2x1 Ashton 3x3 Ashton 4x1 (Source: Avro Aircraft Since 1908 A.J.Jackson).
VFW614. An AIrline (Cimber?) Operated a fleet of these through Gatwick for at least one season and I remember seeing three lined up on a remote stand area. They looked 'pretty', but think the Direct Operaing Costs were too high to make money on the operation, plus a very low Despatch Reliabiality, even for a new type.
A thank you to 'lexif' 'for submitting the Baade B-152 side vew drawings, which make it look a lot less 'ugly' than the B&W Photograph I had seen previously.
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I'm not sure if ever went into commercial service, but I did see one in Luftwaffe colours several years later
Climber Air, Denmark – two aircraft
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...regarding the Do-428.... a firm namely AvCraft Aviation based in the U.S. has acquired the rights to develop the program...but it went bankcrupt a few years back... i'm not so sure if they sold the rights to the 428...
but i'd bet my blue ass it would've been one good looking plane..
just my two cents...
but i'd bet my blue ass it would've been one good looking plane..
just my two cents...
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Had to look it up since I've never heard of the Dornier 428JET concept - basically a 328Jet stretched to transport 44 people. Here is a drawing - looks better proportioned than the 328JET IMHO.
(Drawing from www.flug-revue.rotor.com.)
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(Drawing from www.flug-revue.rotor.com.)
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Vfw 614
Cimber did indeed operate the 614. They occasionaly flew the Copenhagen - Vagar (Faeroe Islands) service, and very occasionally divved into Sumburgh. The operator for the route used the c/s Dan-Air although the usual actual operator when I was around was Maersk. The c/s was a bit problematic though as in those days Danair were big on the oil routes. Hope I've got the hyphens the right way round. We also saw a german registered a/c which was based in Sumburgh briefly on a research project of some description.