Vulcan XH 558 Threads (merged)
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daddy flm.......
Why is it "misguided" to report what someone has told you?
Maybe the information is incomplete or maybe BM is wrong - but there is no need to be patronising surely?
Maybe the information is incomplete or maybe BM is wrong - but there is no need to be patronising surely?
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gareth and peterout
shall we talk facts then
1 i have known barry for about 25 yrs on and off since the falklands conflict to be picky and dont need to be told hes a good bloke and worked with him for the last 3 years on the return to flight project
im not sure of what dates you are talking about mon,tues ,weds is it easter mon or the week after you obviously know that the clearance to release key personnel as been given by MA and assume that 558 is servicable and ready for flying.
No leaking pfcu and brake unit no functionalls required or testing no oop's codes etc to be done or indeed any schedule maintenance.
I think the dates barry may have mentioned is a wish list AND a would like to if possible ask
We the engineers will allways try to meet the demands placed on us and if seklected to go back to complete the testing phase then i know im professionall enough to put personal diferances to one side to acheive permit i know i have upset a few people within tvoc but no smoke without fire and will discuss my actions in private if they would like to or not its their choice.
So as for getting my facts right may i suggest that you look at your own house first
shall we talk facts then
1 i have known barry for about 25 yrs on and off since the falklands conflict to be picky and dont need to be told hes a good bloke and worked with him for the last 3 years on the return to flight project
im not sure of what dates you are talking about mon,tues ,weds is it easter mon or the week after you obviously know that the clearance to release key personnel as been given by MA and assume that 558 is servicable and ready for flying.
No leaking pfcu and brake unit no functionalls required or testing no oop's codes etc to be done or indeed any schedule maintenance.
I think the dates barry may have mentioned is a wish list AND a would like to if possible ask
We the engineers will allways try to meet the demands placed on us and if seklected to go back to complete the testing phase then i know im professionall enough to put personal diferances to one side to acheive permit i know i have upset a few people within tvoc but no smoke without fire and will discuss my actions in private if they would like to or not its their choice.
So as for getting my facts right may i suggest that you look at your own house first
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My god - what's with the attitude? If you read back I don't think you'll find either of us (and I don't know peterout from Adam incidentally) questioning your grasp of the facts. He was merely reporting a conversation and I was questioning the way in which you simply damned his post - a post made on another forum by the way which it appears you chose to bring over here just so you could put him down. Have you posted anything about it on UKAR?
I think the attitude there must have rubbed off on a few of those involved in the project......
I think the attitude there must have rubbed off on a few of those involved in the project......
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Apologies for the remark about researching who Barry was, you obviously known him very well. However, he did say on Sunday he was expecting to do Air Tests Mon/Tue/Wed and as you have pointed out next week is Easter then he must have meant this week. If 558 is not in a state to fly this week then I don't know why Barry said that - he must have been told to be ready by someone I guess.
Didn't mean to start an argument!
Apologies for the remark about researching who Barry was, you obviously known him very well. However, he did say on Sunday he was expecting to do Air Tests Mon/Tue/Wed and as you have pointed out next week is Easter then he must have meant this week. If 558 is not in a state to fly this week then I don't know why Barry said that - he must have been told to be ready by someone I guess.
Didn't mean to start an argument!
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attitude
No attitude from me im the one who as given up 3 yrs off blood sweat and tears to the project and my reasons for my posts are understood by all involved in the project.
It is very frustrating when people post total dribble and are unable to back it up by facts.
As for peterout i have no problem with him or his posts but i accept he and Barry have not got the full picture as it is at the moment as i said its not a money thing tvoc have the funding required for which i congratulate them for, the flight dates will depend on manpower been released back to Bruntingthorpe and key people been added to support the project from MA site in Cambridge design and planning to name but two
From my point i would like to just go back finish what we started 3 yrs ago
give tvoc a flight worthy permitted aircraft to display to all and slip away in to the background and put to bed a 30 year affair with the old girl
It is very frustrating when people post total dribble and are unable to back it up by facts.
As for peterout i have no problem with him or his posts but i accept he and Barry have not got the full picture as it is at the moment as i said its not a money thing tvoc have the funding required for which i congratulate them for, the flight dates will depend on manpower been released back to Bruntingthorpe and key people been added to support the project from MA site in Cambridge design and planning to name but two
From my point i would like to just go back finish what we started 3 yrs ago
give tvoc a flight worthy permitted aircraft to display to all and slip away in to the background and put to bed a 30 year affair with the old girl
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Enough of this speculation, slagging, abuse and such.
From here on in the debate will henceforth be based on fact ONLY. Fanciful suggestions and
baseless veiled attacks will be instantly deleted. No excuses no explanations - they are gone.
It is clear to me that accusations have been borderline and some posters seem to be vieing for positions of oneupmanship and scoring dubious points.
The rule now is that the debate continues with only stuff that stands up. I would also ask that those nearest the coalface at TVOC should post updates here. It is right to do so since many here have made many donations only to find that they are asked for more. They are owed that - if only as a courtesy - but they do deserve more.
We at PPRuNe always look out for our members no doubt as TVOC do theirs. We do, therefore, expect them to be treated fairly and evenhandedly.
PPP
From here on in the debate will henceforth be based on fact ONLY. Fanciful suggestions and
baseless veiled attacks will be instantly deleted. No excuses no explanations - they are gone.
It is clear to me that accusations have been borderline and some posters seem to be vieing for positions of oneupmanship and scoring dubious points.
The rule now is that the debate continues with only stuff that stands up. I would also ask that those nearest the coalface at TVOC should post updates here. It is right to do so since many here have made many donations only to find that they are asked for more. They are owed that - if only as a courtesy - but they do deserve more.
We at PPRuNe always look out for our members no doubt as TVOC do theirs. We do, therefore, expect them to be treated fairly and evenhandedly.
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Dear PPP,
Good to see you intend to control the content and remove the personal slagging from the forum, it was so pointless, very vindictive in some cases and achieved absolutely nothing over the last couple of month's, except to force us TVOC engineers to keep a dignified silence. However, in response to your comments I shall join Smiler and also stick my head over the parapet. No custard pies please.
Anything I can tell you engineering wise, particularly in the Avionics/Electrical field, I will gladly do so, as long as the request is polite and not anti-personnel. Management and Finance matters however, are not my baliwick so I can't help much there.
Good to see you intend to control the content and remove the personal slagging from the forum, it was so pointless, very vindictive in some cases and achieved absolutely nothing over the last couple of month's, except to force us TVOC engineers to keep a dignified silence. However, in response to your comments I shall join Smiler and also stick my head over the parapet. No custard pies please.
Anything I can tell you engineering wise, particularly in the Avionics/Electrical field, I will gladly do so, as long as the request is polite and not anti-personnel. Management and Finance matters however, are not my baliwick so I can't help much there.
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This just posted on the official site:
FUNDRASING UPDATE 27TH MARCH 2008
The current campaign starting on 18th February has produced to date :-
E-donates £ 30,000.00
Direct Donations £ 76,0000.00
Sub Total £106,000.00
Plus allowable Gift Aid £ 22,000.00
( not all donations are eligble for gift aid)
Total £ 128,000.00
The current campaign starting on 18th February has produced to date :-
E-donates £ 30,000.00
Direct Donations £ 76,0000.00
Sub Total £106,000.00
Plus allowable Gift Aid £ 22,000.00
( not all donations are eligble for gift aid)
Total £ 128,000.00
This is great folks but we must keep up the momentum if we are to reach the 1st of June
This is plus the £150,000 ring fenced donation for £150,00 for Test Flights
Plus VTS Club donation of £20,000.00 ring fenced to finance fuel for display training
This is plus the £150,000 ring fenced donation for £150,00 for Test Flights
Plus VTS Club donation of £20,000.00 ring fenced to finance fuel for display training
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Hi Biker Boy
Forgive me if this is a dumb question but if any work needs doing between now and further test flights will it be you guys or Marshalls that carry it out? Or is it as simple as "it depends on what it is"?
I seem to remember a few people saying that because Marshalls were so busy that the timescales for getting airborne for the start of the season were very tight.
With everything crossed that she'll be at Cosford on 1st June..........
Gareth
I seem to remember a few people saying that because Marshalls were so busy that the timescales for getting airborne for the start of the season were very tight.
With everything crossed that she'll be at Cosford on 1st June..........
Gareth
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gareth herts,
Work has re-started and is progressing well under Marshalls Aerospace technicians and TVOC technicians. NDT on the main undercarriage legs has been completed and they have been re-assembled and retraction tests and all independent checks completed today. 20 Hour Out of Phase Servicing is almost complete and we look forward to being ready for flight in the very near future.
Work has re-started and is progressing well under Marshalls Aerospace technicians and TVOC technicians. NDT on the main undercarriage legs has been completed and they have been re-assembled and retraction tests and all independent checks completed today. 20 Hour Out of Phase Servicing is almost complete and we look forward to being ready for flight in the very near future.
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Please explain - what is an Anti-Det run?
Haven't heard of one of those since Vulcan Mk1 flight testing at BD and a little more with Mk2s Down Under.
Would love to get a handful of those mini thrust levers again.
When leaving Boscombe Down AVRoe presented me with a beautiful solid metal heavily silver plated model of a Vulcan Mk1 mounted on a marble base. I keep it polished. Probably a very rare item?
Haven't heard of one of those since Vulcan Mk1 flight testing at BD and a little more with Mk2s Down Under.
Would love to get a handful of those mini thrust levers again.
When leaving Boscombe Down AVRoe presented me with a beautiful solid metal heavily silver plated model of a Vulcan Mk1 mounted on a marble base. I keep it polished. Probably a very rare item?
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Milt,
A picture of that would be nice.
Talking of pictures, I somehow 'buried' those you sent me to post but I 'found' them two weeks ago. I will put them up after the weekend. My apologies for that.
PPP
A picture of that would be nice.
Talking of pictures, I somehow 'buried' those you sent me to post but I 'found' them two weeks ago. I will put them up after the weekend. My apologies for that.
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Milt, Anit-Det runs or ‘Anti Deterioration’ runs are done to cycle all the critical lubricated components on and airframe in a controlled and regulated manner usually to a schedule, This can take from a few minutes to a couple of hours to accomplish and involves normally running up all the hydraulic, fuel, air and electrical systems, and grease and oil as required, again to a schedule laid down for each aircraft.
The results of this effort will be that all the seals are flushed with fluids to ensure they do not dry out and any sediments pulled to the filters, that any leakage can be detected for rectification and that all systems operate as they are supposed too, all pressures, temperatures and voltage/amps can be recorded and this will give an insight into the general condition of things.
From memory I recall the schedules laid out for an L1011 were spread over several dozen pages and did not always require the engines to be spooled up as long as ground services were available, not having seen those for the Vulcan I would guess they are similar in make up though now the airframe has been slimmed down some not as extensive.
By this means an airframe can be stored for long periods without flying at all as long as the runs are done and booked items maintained to schedule, in a very short period of time the aircraft can be brought back into service again signed off and flown.
The results of this effort will be that all the seals are flushed with fluids to ensure they do not dry out and any sediments pulled to the filters, that any leakage can be detected for rectification and that all systems operate as they are supposed too, all pressures, temperatures and voltage/amps can be recorded and this will give an insight into the general condition of things.
From memory I recall the schedules laid out for an L1011 were spread over several dozen pages and did not always require the engines to be spooled up as long as ground services were available, not having seen those for the Vulcan I would guess they are similar in make up though now the airframe has been slimmed down some not as extensive.
By this means an airframe can be stored for long periods without flying at all as long as the runs are done and booked items maintained to schedule, in a very short period of time the aircraft can be brought back into service again signed off and flown.