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Old 29th Jun 2009, 06:57
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I can understand people being disappointed with her no show - but

some make it sound as though it's down to a couldn't careless attitude, far from it, the engineers were working late into the night to get the problem sorted, functionals & indepent checks today, bits break it can't be hepled.

It is unsafe to fly without the AFU it prevents the airframe from being over stressed

safety will always come first.......
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 11:06
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So the Vulcan went tech? It's last year all over again
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:27
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she 100% servicable again

not much compensation for those who missed her yesterday, but good news for departure for Waddington on Thursday
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:28
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The important thing is have they got her fixed up yet?

I'm heading down to Waddington, and whilst it'll be good whatever, the Vulcan is most definitely the highlight, and I'll be a little disappointed if she's not able to make it.
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:38
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I do hope that VTS don't miss the trick as well.
And please tell me which trick that we are supposed to have missed?
The aircraft got as far as engine start before the Elevator Art Feel Unit failed. Fortunately, we had a spare one with us; unfortunately, it wasn't designed to be replaced in the timescale that would allow the aircraft to have made Biggin Hill.
The engineers worked late last night fitting another unit ready for today's independent testing (almost 3 hours for the indys alone) and then we were able to declare the aircraft serviceable.

Both us and the aircrew are gutted when we don't manage to launch for a display. We are very well aware that at the other end are many people who have donated hard-earned cash to this project and we feel the disappointment at a no-show as much as they do.



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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:49
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Oberon, I don't doubt that you feel the disappointment at a no-show as much as the punters. Now that you've told them what 'they' may find difficult to grasp is that post installation independents on an Artificial Feel Unit take 3 hours. Is this from the original AP/Manual or some new CAA procedure. Just curious.
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 15:06
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Is this from the original AP/Manual or some new CAA procedure.
Original AP & SP's (servicing procedures). On fitting, there are the airframe aspects where the unit interfaces with the control runs. Ergonomics weren't invented back when this unit was designed and it's a bitch to replace. Then there are the electrical aspects where the plugs have to be fitted, the functional check carried out, and any adjustments made on the "trim pots", then you have ( in this case), to call one bloke in off holiday to do the elctrical indys and one bloke from Cambridge (Marshall Aerospace) to do the Airframe indys.

The electrical indys take as long to do as the functional (pumping airspeed into both pitot systems to check the function). By the time that you have been over the whole speed range at least 5 times and the independents have also been done on the pitot static system (which you had to disturb to replace the Art Feel Unit) you are looking at close to 3 hours.



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Old 29th Jun 2009, 15:14
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Thanks, I believe you, particularly on the 'Ergonomics weren't invented back when this unit was designed and it's a bitch to replace'.
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 17:08
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Aboot what time she likely to leave for Waddo on thurs please chaps/esses ?
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 15:29
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Oberon,

congrats to you and the team for getting the a/c 's'. My point is that you operate the most distinctive aircraft on the airshow circuit in the UK. Its absence is noted straight away and if it is not on the programme I am sure that the attendance will be suitably affected at other airshows. On Sunday at Biggin, the aircraft that I heard most people talking about was the Vulcan. When other a/c became 'no shows' it was a case of 'what a shame', but when the Vulcan was a 'no show' people were genuinely disappointed.
Oh, and by the way, only 36 years! Get some blummin time in!
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 18:10
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50 Sqn

Can anybody tell me if there was a video tape made of the disbandment parade of the last Vulcan Squadron (50 Sqn). I would love to have one if available. I spent many happy? hours fixing the comms, ecm and radars on the squadron and it was a sad day when we finally disbanded. Great fun when we converted to tanking and a great relief to see the end of the tailcone "dustbins".
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 08:32
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Would the 'need to know' chaps please advise on the ETD from BZN on Thursday
Thanks
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 11:51
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ETD 13:30L Barring any mishaps




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Old 1st Jul 2009, 19:19
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Originally Posted by Paradism View Post
Can anybody tell me if there was a video tape made of the disbandment parade of the last Vulcan Squadron (50 Sqn). I would love to have one if available. I spent many happy? hours fixing the comms, ecm and radars on the squadron and it was a sad day when we finally disbanded. Great fun when we converted to tanking and a great relief to see the end of the tailcone "dustbins".

Some footage of the 50(B) disbandment parade does appear on a video (maybe 'Waddingtons Vulcans' I have it on VHS and copied to DVD. The march out of 5 shed is on definately on it.

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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 08:26
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If the curses that have been called down upon the designers of the Vulcan artificial feel unit have had any effect, their b*llocks will have long since festered at their newly squared edges, rotted and fallen off. Unfortunately most of the surviving eunuchs seem to have joined Boeing, where they were put to work devising Feel and Centering Units.

You did a good job Oberon 1.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Tempsford
I was at Biggin today and when it was announced that the Vulcan would not be appearing, there was a notable number of spectators who left. Not 'well more fool them' it is a fact!
I'm sure it is fact. But if people are shelling out 20 to see a show and then leaving because one aircraft doesn't turn up then I still say more fool them.
Its their choice of course, but if I wanted to just watch the Vulcan I'd go camp outside Brize.

Please do not patronise the paying public is such a way because without their patronage there would not be a future for any of the aircraft on the airshow circuit and not just the precious Vulcan.
Funnily enough, I AM one of the paying public, and I DO donate money to keep the Vulcan flying. I'm certainly no aviation expert, merely an enthusiast.
However unlike many of the 'must have it now!' British public types, I can understand that things DO go wrong.
As much as 100% serviceability is desired, it'll probably never happen with such a large old aircraft. Its disappointing but that's life, and I still manage to enjoy the show I've paid to see.


To end on a lighter note, the latest engineering update has been posted: Vulcan To The Sky News
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 13:09
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Left brize at 14.05 after 10min display. Brill
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 07:17
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Not good news for the project resulting a no display at Waddington today.
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 08:42
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What's the problem?
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 08:51
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I don't know. I only found out this am when I logged on to the club forum.
Due to ill health I have taken a back seat this year, so not got any facts yet.
I am awaiting information along with some very pissed off Club members.
As soon as my grapevine kicks in I will let you folks know. Needless to say I am extremely pissed off/livid!!!!
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