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Air Cadet Gliding pix in the 80s (pre glass)

Old 23rd Jun 2020, 16:44
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
I cannot remember if either myself or a n other forum member has posted this photo before but I always thought it was a pity that the T21 was redesigned post WW2.
The original T21 cockpit looked so much more fun

Ahem, about your idea of "fun "........personally, I prefer something a "bit more robust "than,, erm, thin air. You could see why it could be a shade problematic if Cadet Bloggs decided on his first launch he wasn't quite as enthused about gliding as he thought....on the other hand, easy access for controls maintenance guaranteed ! . Just out of interest, where's "the Bomb " or was this added on later marks ?....had a few hrs in the Barge which was always "sedate " to fly .
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 17:08
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As best as I can recall, the Bomb modification didn't come along until the late 1960s. Prior to that, the other seat had to ballasted securely if solo flight was considered. I did have one exception; an extremely well self-ballasted navigator who was a great amateur chef. He was also a bloody good navigator.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 18:13
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Originally Posted by JW411 View Post
As best as I can recall, the Bomb modification didn't come along until the late 1960s. Prior to that, the other seat had to ballasted securely if solo flight was considered.
I once flew a barge solo which didn’t have the bomb mod. The ballast was an RAF holdall full of bricks and a car tyre, strapped to the empty seat.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 21:49
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T 21 Ballast

When we started AE flying on a (tasked) regular basis many of the Cadets were quite young and 'light'. Answer to this situation was a spare T21 seat bottom (held in by dot fastner) to which had been bolted a thick slab of lead suitably curved to fit. (Gold was too expensive)
I suspect that the Woolwich Arsenal was the supplier of this 'mod ' as they provided most of the materials for our home built T31 trolleys.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 07:54
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All Seds at 613 apart from one had provision for a 'bomb'; the sole exception (WB971) was flown solo by the CO, Jacko, who also provided his own built in ballast.
When flying AEG with a lightweight cadet in a Sed, we usually put a Mk 3 solo weight behind his seat.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Ahem, about your idea of "fun "........personally, I prefer something a "bit more robust "than,, erm, thin air.
HaHa - the production T21 was not that robust around the cockpit area KnC,whilst I was on the staff at 613 Halton I was getting another Mk3 out of the Bessonneau Hangar with some cadets when one of the cadets told me ''a glider has just crashed sir'' (well he did not know I was just a corporal apprentice ) - my initial reaction was of course ''stupid boy'' (or words to that effect) to which he replied ''honest''.
So looks outside and sure enough he was correct,one of our senior instructors had taken off in T21 WB970 with a small/light cadet and I believe without having fitted a 'Bomb' - had low cable break and could not get the nose down - result spun in from (100ft ??).
The T21 woodwork fwd of the cockpit bulkhead was just matchwood with the metal flying control system parts clearly on view,cadet and instructor were not seriously injured luckily.
The Commandant - Air Comm Bob Weighhill was at the scene in his (Austin 1800 ??) before the ambulance -he was a big rugby man and had seen it happen from one of the sports fields.
Eventually we had a lovely albeit rather sad bonfire with the remains of this glider,from memory it was a bit slow to get going but once warmed up - it really went up nicely.

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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
HaHa - the production T21 was not that robust around the cockpit area KnC,whilst I was on the staff at 613 Halton I was getting another Mk3 out of the Bessonneau Hangar with some cadets when one of the cadets told me ''a glider has just crashed sir'' (well he did not know I was just a corporal apprentice ) - my initial reaction was of course ''stupid boy'' (or words to that effect) to which he replied ''honest''.
So looks outside and sure enough he was correct,one of our senior instructors had taken off in T21 WB970 with a small/light cadet and I believe without having fitted a 'Bomb' - had low cable break and could not get the nose down - result spun in from (100ft ??).
The T21 woodwork fwd of the cockpit bulkhead was just matchwood with the metal flying control system parts clearly on view,cadet and instructor were not seriously injured luckily.
The Commandant - Air Comm Bob Weighhill was at the scene in his (Austin 1800 ??) before the ambulance -he was a big rugby man and had seen it happen from one of the sports fields.
Eventually we had a lovely albeit rather sad bonfire with the remains of this glider,from memory it was a bit slow to get going but once warmed up - it really went up nicely.
If that's the one I recall, the pilot was 'Tommy' Thompson; both he and the cadet walked away having slipped out of their harness and the late 'Honey Monster' (Reg Ford) was the investigating officer. Crashed virtually at the launch point having tried to do a 360?
I arrived late having been on morning duty at West Drayton and found Reg in the office reading through the procedure for the investigastion.
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Yep that is the one Chevvron.
I was told it was a spin off a low cable break,as I posted above - I was in the Hangar when it happened and have never seen an accident report for it.I don't remember it being absolutely next to the launch point but not too far up the field - long time ago so I certainly would not argue with anybody about it.
I have always assumed that TT and the cadet were just on or just over the min cockpit load,no bomb fitted and TT could not get the nose down to prevent stall/spin.
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
Yep that is the one Chevvron.
I was told it was a spin off a low cable break,as I posted above - I was in the Hangar when it happened and have never seen an accident report for it.I don't remember it being absolutely next to the launch point but not too far up the field - long time ago so I certainly would not argue with anybody about it.
I have always assumed that TT and the cadet were just on or just over the min cockpit load,no bomb fitted and TT could not get the nose down to prevent stall/spin.
Hmm best not to go into it too deeply then
Tommy was a nice bloke too; he was wandering about the launch point chain smoking and saying 'that's me finished then'.
I think he started at 613 about the same time as me, along with John Hartill and Nick Nicholls. Tommy had an MGA sports car, gave me a lift to Amersham one day (I lived in Chesham) and we did the ton along the Missenden bypass!
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Tommy was a top bloke - he had a great sense of humour.Not sure what happened to him in the end - he flew with me at least once whilst he was grounded but I cannot remember how long he was grounded for.
I didn't realise he had an MGA,to be fair I do not recall any of the instructors cars except for Jacko's Peugeot with the 613 plate,often parked in the layby up on the top road to spy on us
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