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Old 7th Aug 2008, 09:43
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Not Barrow-on-Humber
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 10:41
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How about Eastleigh?
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 10:53
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Cowes, I.O.W?

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Old 7th Aug 2008, 11:43
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Weston-Super-Mare?
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 12:50
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Am i missing something here - how would those things allow it to land on water? Are we looking at ice - or just a low approach?
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Looks like Frensham Ponds?
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Not Easteigh or Weston-Super-Mare. Although there is a Weston -Super-Mare connection that I'll reveal later.

Neither is it Cowes, but AAO is warm.

Am i missing something here - how would those things allow it to land on water? Are we looking at ice - or just a low approach?
Take-off actually.

...and its not Frensham Ponds either.
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Yes, it crashed in W-S-M

I'll try Calshot then.
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Warmtoast
Neither is it Cowes, but AAO is warm.
Close enough for it to be East Cowes instead?

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Old 7th Aug 2008, 19:42
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Not Calshot

Not East Cowes, but very near - around 5½ miles distant
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 21:43
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It is a waterdrome/aerodrome we are looking for, is it not?
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 22:01
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Water looks very calm - maybe Hamble?
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Looks like a beach to me. Could it be Ryde?
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Old 7th Aug 2008, 23:19
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It is a waterdrome/aerodrome we are looking for, is it not?

Good question, Bri!
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Looks like a beach to me. Could it be Ryde
Ryde it is. So over to you Chris.

It shows Auster J/5g Autocar G-AMZV fitted with Saunders-Roe hydro-skis taking off from mud-flats at Ryde (Isle of Wight). Geoff Tyson was the pilot.
Saunders-Roe's works at East Cowes were five miles along the north coast of the Isle of Wight and I can only assume the nearest suitable mud-flats for tests were at Ryde, which is why the tests were done there.

The National Archives at Kew has a copy of an Auster Aircraft Company file held in the Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office describing the trials of the hydro-skis and similar unusual undercarriage attachments made by Saunders-Roe as fitted to Auster aircraft.

A report quotes: "On water, buoyancy is achieved by lift from the pressure on the skis when planing. This is achieved at “an acceptable taxiing speed,” and a distance of only three to four times the Auster’s own length is all that is needed to reach a safe enough speed for entering the water. Successful take-offs have been made starting from sand, shingle and short concrete slipways—the remainder of the run to become airborne being on the surface of the water. During early low-speed trials on water, buoyancy-tanks were fitted under the wing-tips as a precautionary measure, but were soon removed."




Sadly Auster Autocar G-AMZV came to a tragic end in August 1966 as this contemporary press cutting shows:


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"... —the remainder of the run to become airborne being on the surface of the water. During early low-speed trials on water, buoyancy-tanks were fitted under the wing-tips as a precautionary measure, but were soon removed."

Sounds distinctly dodgy to me. Engine failure on take-off, at low speed, would lead to the loss of the aeroplane? Or was it a hydroplane? [Never did understand why the term "landplane" was abandoned, yet "seaplane" retained. ]

Fascinating, Warmtoast, thank you. In the absence of the necessary wherewithal:

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Warmtoast, thanks for an interesting challenge!!

Originally Posted by Chris Scott
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Mind if I throw in an easy one to keep things moving;

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Oh My God! An aerodrome! I thought this was becoming 'What Fen/Bog/Marsh/Tidal Flat?' Given the half-moon, I do hope the earlier tidal thread drift has ebbed.
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Not Khormaksar perchance?
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Oh My God! An aerodrome! I thought this was becoming 'What Fen/Bog/Marsh/Tidal Flat?
As the term Aerodrome has largely been replaced by Airfield or Airport I looked up the definition Airfield in my dictionary. It states "An area of land where aircraft (aeroplanes?) take off and land, are maintained etc".

Mud flats at Ryde fall in to that category I reckon.

In the absence of describing it possibly as an "Alighting Area" sorry if I upset the purists!

And what is the term to describe getting airborne from an alighting area?

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