RAF training aircraft
Piston Provosts were used for basic flying training (120 hours) in the mid fifties followed by advanced training in the Vampire T11, V & IX (also 120 hours) Meteors were also used for a short time for trainees with long legs!.
hairyclameater,
Are you claiming that Navigators are not aircrew?
Canberra T11 was used to train prospective Javelin navigators in use of the radar. The T19 was just the T11 with the radar removed and used for target facilities.
Avro Athena was used by the RAF Flying College at RAF Manby, 15 were used after losing the fly off for the advanced piston engined trainer that was won by the Balliol, requirement then canned.
Wasn't there something called a Harvard........................
Are you claiming that Navigators are not aircrew?
Canberra T11 was used to train prospective Javelin navigators in use of the radar. The T19 was just the T11 with the radar removed and used for target facilities.
Avro Athena was used by the RAF Flying College at RAF Manby, 15 were used after losing the fly off for the advanced piston engined trainer that was won by the Balliol, requirement then canned.
Wasn't there something called a Harvard........................
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Errr... didn't I say in a later post that I was going to stick to primary trainers, to keep it simple? And we decided a few days ago that any aircraft can be used for 'training'... 
Does anyone know if the Vampire T11 was ever used for primary training? I know the JP was standard, but a couple of people have told me that the T11 was possibly used for one intake.
Does anyone know if the Vampire T11 was ever used for primary training? I know the JP was standard, but a couple of people have told me that the T11 was possibly used for one intake.
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The Vampire T11 was only used for advanced flying training. During my course about 60 hrs dual were flown in the T11 with a similar amount of solo time in clapped out Vampire V & IX's. Piston Provosts were the basic flying training aircraft at that time. I do remember a junior course at Swinderby in 1957 which came from Jet Provost basic training at Hullavinton. Eventually JP's were used for both basic and advanced flying training.
The Vampire T11 was only used for advanced flying training. During my course about 60 hrs dual were flown in the T11 with a similar amount of solo time in clapped out Vampire V & IX's. Piston Provosts were the basic flying training aircraft at that time. I do remember a junior course at Swinderby in 1957 which came from Jet Provost basic training at Hullavinton. Eventually JP's were used for both basic and advanced flying training.
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Spitfire T9 (ok I know it's not primary, but all the good ones have been taken)
What's that on the front of the spinner of the grey a/c in the background? Is that The Mole from Thunderbirds?
What's that on the front of the spinner of the grey a/c in the background? Is that The Mole from Thunderbirds?
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RAF never had them Onan! Irish AC, Indian AF did - any others? All converted post-war from MkVIII and IX. Still, looks nice, and gives lucky b*****s a chance for a ride/pole... (ie I'd like a ride please!!)
The aircraft in the background is a Pilatus P2 - the vanes control the prop pitch I believe, faster it goes presumably the prop fines off and reverts to coarse pitch for as it slows to approach speeds. Did I get that the right way round, vp props confoose me!
The aircraft in the background is a Pilatus P2 - the vanes control the prop pitch I believe, faster it goes presumably the prop fines off and reverts to coarse pitch for as it slows to approach speeds. Did I get that the right way round, vp props confoose me!
Sort of....
A single Beagle Husky (an Auster-based design) was operated by 5 AEF at Cambridge for many years in RAF colours - it was used for giving CCF/ATC cadets air experience flying.
It had been presented by the TV personality Hughie Green - who himself had been a wartime pilot.
A single Beagle Husky (an Auster-based design) was operated by 5 AEF at Cambridge for many years in RAF colours - it was used for giving CCF/ATC cadets air experience flying.
It had been presented by the TV personality Hughie Green - who himself had been a wartime pilot.
Brakedwell,
The JP wasn't used for advanced flying training, it replaced the Provost T1 in the basic phase and when the Chipmunk was phased out and the RAF went over (briefly, twice!) to all through jet training it effectively replaced the Chipmunk. The Vampire T11 replacement was the Gnat T1 and eventually the Hunter F6/T7 for beanpoles and when they ran out of Gnats.
Hairyclameater,
Aircrew in the loosest possible way................................
The JP wasn't used for advanced flying training, it replaced the Provost T1 in the basic phase and when the Chipmunk was phased out and the RAF went over (briefly, twice!) to all through jet training it effectively replaced the Chipmunk. The Vampire T11 replacement was the Gnat T1 and eventually the Hunter F6/T7 for beanpoles and when they ran out of Gnats.
Hairyclameater,
Aircrew in the loosest possible way................................
pr00ne
You are right of course, it was a long time ago and my memories are fading! I'm sure the first ex-JP trained course arrived at Swinderby towards the end of 1956 or early in 57. Our nine month Vampire course was extended several weeks as a result of grounding the clapped out Vampire FBV & IX's which tended to go out of control when pushed too fast in a dive. The fact thatwe all saw the film "Sound Barrier" might have had something to do with the loss of two aircraft. Then as a result of Duncan Sandy's axe my Hunter course was taken by over by the Indian Air Force and I finished up on Hastings.
You are right of course, it was a long time ago and my memories are fading! I'm sure the first ex-JP trained course arrived at Swinderby towards the end of 1956 or early in 57. Our nine month Vampire course was extended several weeks as a result of grounding the clapped out Vampire FBV & IX's which tended to go out of control when pushed too fast in a dive. The fact thatwe all saw the film "Sound Barrier" might have had something to do with the loss of two aircraft. Then as a result of Duncan Sandy's axe my Hunter course was taken by over by the Indian Air Force and I finished up on Hastings.