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ross_M 20th June 2011 07:23


The modeling accuracy wrt the altitude of the cloud is quite high hence the risk assessment conducted by every airline that flys into Australia except Qf and tiger, allowed for continued operations.

But hey what would airlines the likes of Cathay, emirates, ethiad, south African, Singapore, Malaysian, united and virgin know.......
I'm SLF so not qualified to speak about the aviation aspects.

But from a purely risk-assessment framework: If you had an uncertain risk that impacts all your assets versus the same risk impacting only a few of your assets wouldn't the rational response be different?

I was speculating that might reflect in the native Airlines being less likely to operate? I am assuming Quantas saying "we'll fly 10% of our routes for risk hedging" was not an option.

Angle of Attack 20th June 2011 07:35

There was some abrasion damage albeit minor to some Virgin aircraft, directly from a Virgin engineer, and interesting to note that Virgin are first to suspend flights to Adelaide tomorrow ;) Rumours are smoke there is usually a fire that caused it :)

fmcinop 20th June 2011 09:24

What utter rot! VB as of 19:00 tonight's have found no evidence of an ash encounter by any of its aircraft.

Scamp Damp 20th June 2011 09:28

VB, QF and TT have cancelled services to/from ADL tomorrow...

I think there is a handful of QF services that are leaving ADL in the AM, but it looks like from the BOM that there could be a few interesting days ahead...

Hugh Jarse 20th June 2011 09:47

Absolute bollox, AoA, Riddick, et al.

No VA aircraft have been affected by volcanic ash. Routine engineering checks were ongoing during the whole period, and revealed nothing.

Therefore, their modelling and risk analysis was correct. I did 2 days of SY-HB during the peak threat and had every confidence in our Met and risk analysis people in our OCC. Our flights were done in clear conditions - as predicted by our OCC.

The fact that other airlines cancelled flights, where we continued flying doesn't mean one company is "less safe" or "more gun shy" than the other. You just need to accept that the various companies affected came up with different conclusions based on the data at hand.

Nothing more, and nothing less.

Long Bay Mauler 20th June 2011 09:54

I guess those pics at VA maint watch were wrong :rolleyes:

Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.

There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.

gobbledock 20th June 2011 10:05


I guess those pics at VA maint watch were wrong :rolleyes:
Too late now, I am sure the pics have been 'lost'.

Hugh Jarse 20th June 2011 10:13


I guess those pics at VA maint watch were wrong :rolleyes:

Apparently the pictures revealed a layer of ash in areas exposed with panels removed.

There is no shame in being wrong, the industry just expects honesty instead of hiding the truth.

Where is your evidence, bugalugs? Post it up mate, otherwise it's nothing more than a rumour.

Long Bay Mauler 20th June 2011 10:27

I guess youre an engineer Hugh. If you are,you will no doubt see them or speak with a person who has.

I have not seen the pictures in question myself,but I would bet my left nut that the engineer who told me, is telling the truth.

:ok:

kimir 20th June 2011 10:38

Nothing on the company DSR across all fleets.

rodchucker 20th June 2011 10:42

As an observer of this thread, I find its contents quite disconcerting because someone is telling porkies and there isn't any middle ground.

On the one hand we have an airline that is being completely maligned with no evidence and on the other hand we have an issue that could affect us all.

Rumours are rumours, but rumours with malicious intent are something else without proof.

Can someone make it clearer to me or mods take control

kimir 20th June 2011 10:46

Agreed, post some proof or shut it down.

Hugh Jarse 20th June 2011 11:02

Exactly, Kimir and Rodchucker. There is NOTHING in the DSR about the rubbish posted in this thread. It's purely vexatious trash.

Bugalugs, I'm not an engineer. However the reporting between engineering and flight ops is robust. There has been nothing mentioned at all.


....but I would bet my left nut that the engineer who told me, is telling the truth.
Mate, bet your wife. Bet your job, but NEVER bet your balls. ;)

Especially on hearsay. You may find yourself neutered.

gobbledock 20th June 2011 11:06

Hugh Jarse settle down, don't take it too personal big fella.
Have we had a bad week, it's only Monday ??

Hugh Jarse 20th June 2011 11:19

Naahh, I'm not taking it personally at all, gobbledock. I've had a fantastic week, thanx. A "noice" long weekend, actually. :} Plus another next weekend. Life is good! Might take the bike out for a blast next Sat'dy :E

Sorry, but I just can't just sit back and let complete, unsubstantiated lies go unchallenged. Particularly when not a single person has offered a shred of evidence to back up the original claim.:ok:

And I'll still never bet my balls on what somebody tells me :}

KABOY 20th June 2011 11:21

SBS Dateline | A Wing and a Prayer

Questions whether we should get emotional about these things.

gobbledock 20th June 2011 11:21


And I'll still never bet my balls on what somebody tells me http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif
Agreed. Those fuzzy dusters are too precious to bet over volcanic ash !!

Keg 20th June 2011 11:39


Agreed, post some proof or shut it down.
Sort of defeats the purpose of PPRUNE then doesn't it? :E :ok:

kimir 20th June 2011 11:44

they should call it prune and leave the professional part out then hey keg!

ozbiggles 20th June 2011 11:48

Well the Karma of PPrune is that when people start a thread like this when and if it turns out to be false they shred their cred.
Its also easy to get an idea of who they work for and what their motive may be.


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