ABC 7:30 should be the highest rating show of the year, but sadly this article is unlikely to be lead item, and any interest won’t last longer than a night.

With this in mind, what’s stopping them recruiting international ATCOs?

Is there an upper age limit for ATCOs? Might give it a go myself.

Australian Salary is uncompetitive.

And reputation precedes the organisation internationally.

It is also not on the list of wanted vocations for an immigration visa.

And, experienced ATCO's are in demand worldwide.

If you haven't done it before, about 30.

Several things comes to mind, Overseas ANSPs are recruiting (hence the flow of ATCs is likely to be the other way). 457 visas are no longer available. International ATCs need to learn the "Australian way" as Australia is far from ICAO compliant and we have some orphaned equipment that no-one else uses. Most foreign recruited ATCs have returned back home at some point. And since this is a rumour network, to work with the new OneSky you need to be an Australian citizen.

I know of 3 ex-ASA ATCs who are International ATCs (in the real sense) who have applied to return and AsA have marked their applications - UNSUCCESSFUL.
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No age limit but statistically the older you are the harder it gets to pass - we all get mentally slower and less flexible with age. You at 40 will find it harder than you at 25 but maybe easier than someone else at 25.That said it's you being measured against a standard based on nothing other than you demonstrating your abilities.

Thats sort of my point though, if there is such a shortage, why is it not on the ‘wanted vocations’ list?

I’m sure there would be some takers if the package was right, regardless of the fact that pretty much everywhere on the planet is recruiting at the moment.

Wherever you go in the world you have to learn the ‘local way’ of doing things, that isn’t idiosyncratic to Aus.

Every ANSP on the planet is short at the minute, there’s only so much papering over the cracks you can do. It’s a romantic idea to ab-initio recruit your way out of it, but it takes years. This is the same issue everywhere is having right now.

Now you are just teasing. UK advertises and now a pathway to USA.
AUKUS for ATCs!!

Would anyone living in Australia seriously contemplate moving to the USA right now?

And what's more, working at the FAA?

Now if you reversed the offer ..

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What about Tourette Syndrome?

Ha yeah I’ve never done any controlling but I can definitely imagine you’re right! I’ve often thought that as I age my increasing experience neatly counters my declining cognitive speed.

I don’t get this argument, you don’t get cleared to enter the runway at LGW until the landing traffic has passed you, as the 26L threshold is displaced surely there is a longer period between the traffic passing (at 200ft) to them vacating the runway making it comparable to passing at B/C and vacating on G (for rwy16). From a pilot perspective, there no reason I can see the an aircraft cannot be in the lined up position when using B/C. The abject failure of Australian airports to introduced proper high-speed exits to match the landing performance of both medium and heavy aircraft may compound things. I’m not an air traffic controller but surely restricting the use of E in single runway configuration would help the flow?

they also said:“We wish you every success with your future career endeavours.”

:rolleyes:

I appreciate the breakdown but in my opinion, ATC caused delays are real delays not the bull**** the captain claims when they have to hold because everyone turns up at once but is the that ANSP can't deliver the service.

15% to me is an absolute disgrace that is being filtered down for blame to the Controller on the floor. That is just unfair and devious on behalf of management.

Australian ATC is in my opinion one of the best on earth, training, safety management, expedition but all based around what the person at the console is permitted to do.

I've been out of dodge for some time and am very aware of what my ex brothers and sisters have to put up with. I'm one that since the Tongan auto mail said no more ED has enjoyed my days off. You can't expect an allegedly first world system to run based on a dice roll.

Hey, I've got the same issues in my current employ. I'm sure AsA big bigs are reading this. Let's chat. PM for off the record attempts to help each other.

Oh blah blah. Gatwick is a serious operation no doubt. Go and research their wake turbulence standards. Add a unit that specifically sequences for TMA driven holds. It isn't the same. Not saying it shouldn't be but it's not.

I've mentioned before and I'm pretty much commiting returning suicide (I'm on the black list) but this bull**** that Jason throws up about we have enough ATCs is misleading in the extreme. Group numbers might be 15,1, 13.8, 20.5. That in AsA ideal adds up to 50,4. No it doesn't. For every point something, that is 1. If you need a console for 1 minute, that's an entire shift.

Reading the ongoing TIBA NIOTAMs I'm not involved but I was last time. Nothing has changed in 15 years. The only constant is Jason. I know him, good bloke, destroying the company. He got his head start brown nosing in 95/96 when he relieved as the centre manager in Melbourne. Did about 5 minutes on the tools then was indoctrinated by the decade of fools that ran the place.

I won't be one to comment on how to fix this. I have ideas but noone cares what operational people think.

Good luck.