Same Job Same Pay legislation
 

Labor’s same-job, same-pay laws pass parliament after deal with Lambie and Pocock

This law looks set to pass parliament today. What effect, if any, will this have on aviation? Jacqui Lambie mentioned flight attendants as one group of workers that should benefit. Would it apply to pilots too? Hard to see any justification from Coward St why an A320 pilot should be paid any less than a 737 pilot flying RPT with a red rat on the tail.

I would like to feel optimistic that it will help many in the aviation industry but feel sure that Qantas been the gorilla in the cage will have every excuse why it doesn’t apply and ultimately will go thru the court system for years as they did with the baggage handlers.

Yep. QF will take it all the way to the high court every time. Nothing really changes much.

Mainline SOs with different payscales in the same cockpit.

I can see QF arguing in court that an A-320 job in one state is different to a 737 job in a different state because there are lots of differences to point to, ( lots that the lawyers can bring up) but I can’t imagine them getting a win with SO’s on the same routes in the same metal with the same training departments and the same pay master, carrying the same pax. That really is the same job with different pay.

That's why it has LINK on it.

Finally, a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. Can't we all work on a level playing field instead a Toxic one.

I think some of you have swallowed too much Government Kool-Aid.

This legislation is not about comparing pilots in one company flying a particular type of aircraft, with pilots in another company, even if they’re flying the same aircraft.

It’s about comparing pilots employed by Pilots-r-us-Labour-Hire/ Parc/Rishworth wages, with Big-Airline wages when Big-Airline wants to hire in some temps.

The temp pilot wages can no longer undercut the money paid to directly employed Big-Airline pilots (either on the Award or on an EBA).

Check with your Shop-Steward/Employment Lawyer.

Regards

This is the exact reason why the flash new A220 has Link on it!

So this only affects labour hire to the mainline brand? They can outsource the entire airline, even to foreign owned carriers and that's perfectly acceptable but if you Labour hire to mainline then you have to get paid the same? How does that then affect codesharing because that has your brand on it? If an Australian airline code shares with third world country's airline with Australian flight numbers all over is that OK? Is this the new future that Labor has just created?

And the band rolls on.
Nothing changes at QF. If you have a qantas asic, you are the enemy. They will do everything, up to including the high court, to manoeuvre around having to accept you as part of the long term vision. That strategy is about the only long term vision in the place.
Commands will remain close to 20 years forever. Short haul Qantas contracts will be managed to oblivion. As will the long haul stuff.
One only has to look at the total number of airframes international has.
At least they will be supplying full operational support to Alliance and network. In the mean time 737s depart Melbourne without any catering. Thats' what the joint has become.
Nothing changes. Qantas employee = enemy.
Once you get your head around that and accept it, you'll have a great day out.

Will this legislation put an end to the practice of growing another entity next to, say SH, and then (not) transferring business to that entity? Does this mean the wholly owned subsidiaries that already exist are the only non mainline entities from now on? Interesting legislation and it will be interesting to see how management ooze through the cracks to undermine it.

As it is reported it will encourage exactly that.

I think the next round of the Bill ( part 2) which is being read in the New Year is supposed to deal with ‘sham’ businesses so maybe the process of starting or buying a small business with lower paid workers and then encouraging it to take over tasks that the core business historically undertook will be addressed there? It will be tricky to determine legally what is legitimate business practice as opposed to deliberately circumventing established Fair Work EA’s

I guess the other question is how does this affect Alliance as they have a different EBA for every state and operation

Where is Jetconnect going to fall in the scope of this legislation given it is an NZ based employment agreement?

I imagine if they are operating VH rego aircraft for an Australian company, there will be some restrictions.

But the new S/O’s are working under the exact same EA as the existing S/O’s. You think the FWC going to take the new SO’s off LHEA10 and put them on what??

Even without the new pay scale, an existing 12 year A380 S/O is being paid about 85% more than year 1 380 S/O. It’s not illegal. When either of them take a promotion they will be on the same pay scale as each other for the rest of their Qantas career.

I hope the new legislation can stop Qantas’s race to the bottom, multiple subsidiary, IR tactics but the above scenario is not going to be affected.

I don’t think we really know the specifics of how the new IR laws will affect the industry, they’ll take time to be embedded and then there’ll probably be lengthy legal challenges by unions against some employment practices so it’ll take take in the wash up to see what changes occur.

But in a broader sense seeing how the business lobby, the opposition and the media have lined up the attack the new laws tells me overall they must be a good thing for workers :ok: