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Lead Balloon 18th Nov 2023 23:46


Reasons for Approval: The Delegate was satisfied that exceptional circumstances existed for issue of a curfew dispensation.
Those aren’t “reasons”.

That’s just a self-serving assertion of the criterion on the basis of which the power to grant a dispensation may lawfully be exercised. As if a delegate would ever say that their "reasons" for granting a dispensation were that the delegate was not satisfied that exceptional circumstances existed.

“Reasons” explain how and why you reached the conclusion. There should be a statement of the specific facts taken into consideration by the delegate in each case, then an explanation of why the delegate, having had regard to the Guidelines, formed the view that those specific facts constituted ‘exceptional circumstances’.

RampDog 19th Nov 2023 01:02


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11541762)
Back in 2003, I was waiting at the eastern GA area at KSA for the arrival of a Gulfstream from NZ, due to land at 2130. The main passenger was Tom Cruise, and the Customs and Immigration people were waiting inside, as well as Junior Boss and Big Boss - who never liked to wait for anybody, and had arrived at 2130 expecting to leap into the chopper and go. But no. Tom was late leaving NZ and was hitting big headwinds across the puddle. Big Boss fuming.

Time dragged on. Choppers have a curfew of 2300, and at 2215 I rang the lady in charge to see if I could get a dispensation to leave a few minutes later. When I asked her, she said "No." I said that it was pretty important that we take off, so she asks "Is this a medical emergency?"
"It will be, because Big Boss will tear my @rse out if we can't go."
"Well, wait till he has torn it out and then call me, but if nobody is dying, nobody goes."
"How about if we ground taxy (on wheels) to the end of 16L and depart over water through the heads from there?"
"No."

Luckily around 2240 the jet arrived, the customs people did their thing, and we were airborne at 2257. I was glad to have my rear end intact.

I would assume Ascend Charlie wishes to maintain confidentiatity. The "Big Boss" was also known in some circles as the Goanna! Google it if you still can't work it out

framer 19th Nov 2023 01:24

Got it.

markis10 19th Nov 2023 07:09


Originally Posted by RampDog (Post 11541813)
I would assume Ascend Charlie wishes to maintain confidentiatity. The "Big Boss" was also known in some circles as the Goanna! Google it if you still can't work it out

Methinks bigboss is the same person who told politicians he didn’t pay more tax because they (the politicians) were not spending well what they got.

sunnySA 20th Nov 2023 01:20


Originally Posted by missy (Post 11541458)
Details of Dispensation
Date: Wednesday 28 June 2023
Aircraft: BAe-146, B737, A320
Registrations: VH-XML, VH-XMR, VH-XMB, VH-XMO, VH-VLI, VH-ONU, VH-YNU, VH-XNH, ZK-AWA, ZK-TLF, ZK-FXL, ZK-FXM, ZK-TLM, ZK-FXK, ZK-FXJ, VH-ULD, VH-ULW, VH- ULY
Operator: Qantas
Operation: Arrival and Departure
Circumstances Leading to Request: Dispensation granted to Qantas to operate up to 27 movements per week during the curfew period, as allocated under the Sydney Airport Curfew Regulations 2023 utilising BAe-146 aircraft along with B737 and A320 in reliance upon this dispensation aircraft.
Approved: Yes
Reasons for Approval: The Delegate was satisfied that exceptional circumstances existed for issue of a
curfew dispensation.

Last time I looked XMB and VLI were R22's!!

MickG0105 20th Nov 2023 21:37


Originally Posted by sunnySA (Post 11542450)
Last time I looked XMB and VLI were R22's!!

That may be what those regos are now, any chance that back when that dispensation was filed that they were B733 freighters? I'm pretty sure that XMB was retired from the Express fleet in August.

RampDog 22nd Nov 2023 05:42


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11541902)
Methinks bigboss is the same person who told politicians he didn’t pay more tax because they (the politicians) were not spending well what they got.

He knew how to intimidate them, he was an old school bully and didn't shy away from it :ouch: and always got what he needed, let alone wanted. Mega wheeler dealer Alan Bond would confirm that if he was still around bwahaha.

Ascend Charlie 22nd Nov 2023 06:15


He knew how to intimidate them, he was an old school bully and didn't shy away from it
Let me rephrase that:

He stood up to opponents, didn't let them bluff him, and he said things to politicians that others were only game to think.

Mr Mossberg 22nd Nov 2023 12:10

He was a great Australian who didn't take **** from anybody.

framer 22nd Nov 2023 20:56


He was a great Australian who didn't take **** from anybody.
Not enough moral fibre for me to consider him a ‘great Australian’.

Ascend Charlie 22nd Nov 2023 22:39

And your reasons for this judgement?

MickG0105 22nd Nov 2023 22:58

And as they turn into the straight, here comes Goanna. It's Goanna making a late run for the Thread Drift Cup.

framer 23rd Nov 2023 01:14


And your reasons for this judgement?
I like to see an overt example of extraordinarily high moral fibre before considering someone a ‘great Australian’. It’s a high bar for me. I understand others may not, it is just my opinion.

Mr Mossberg 23rd Nov 2023 09:56


Not enough moral fibre for me to consider him a ‘great Australian’.
More moral fibre in his left hand little finger fingernail than any politician or most Australians.

Mr Mossberg 23rd Nov 2023 09:57


I like to see an overt example of extraordinarily high moral fibre before considering someone a ‘great Australian’. It’s a high bar for me. I understand others may not, it is just my opinion.
Not having a crack at you framer, but there's probably a multitude of deeds done by KP that you'll never hear about, but here's just one:

How's about buying a Packer Wacker for every ambulance in NSW after being saved by an ambulance crew?

megan 23rd Nov 2023 23:48

A generous individual, paid off an individuals house mortgage because of services received, not your usual sort of tip in the service industry.

Ascend Charlie 24th Nov 2023 03:26

Among many others:
sending his jet pilot to the US to his own heart specialist for treatment
sending a kindergarten-full of handicapped kids to Disneyland
buying a tractor from a kid salesman, not because he needed the tractor, he just liked the kid
donating 14 housefuls of near-new furniture to the Salvos
and a pile more.
But you probably won't change your opinion, and I can't be bothered trying any further.

framer 24th Nov 2023 12:28

On further reflection I realise my initial statement was both flippant and foolish. It did nobody any good, achieved nothing, and I shouldn’t pass judgement on a persons character if I don’t know them very well.
My apologies,
Framer

Mr Proach 24th Nov 2023 20:47

If I recall correctly, does the curfew act include a directive that if an aircraft conducts a go around, a report must be submitted to the minister?

missy 21st Feb 2024 11:22


DETAILS OF DISPENSATION
Date: 30 November 2023
Aircraft: B737
Registration: VH-XZM
Operator: Qantas
Operation: Departure
Circumstances Leading to Request: Qantas flight QF499 (Sydney to Melbourne) was delayed departing
from Sydney Airport due to engineering issues requiring a replacement of the Integrated Drive Generator
Panel for #1 engine Additionally, there were delays in refuelling the aircraft once repairs were completed
and limited accommodation in Sydney. A dispensation was granted for take-off no later than 23:30 local
time. QF499 had 146 passengers including 2 wheelchair users and 6 crew on-board. The aircraft departed
at 23:58 local time.
Approved: Yes
Reasons for Approval: The Delegate was satisfied that exceptional circumstances existed for issue of a
curfew dispensation.
Really?


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