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AnotherFSO 1st Nov 2023 22:58

Canberra wants more women in Aviation careers
 
From: https://minister.infrastructure.gov....-taking-flight

Support for women's aviation careers taking flight

The Albanese Government is calling on experienced suppliers to help support women’s aviation careers.

The aviation industry has traditionally been dominated by men and we’re working to increase the number of women choosing an aviation career as well as encourage women already in the industry to stay through our $8 million Women in the Aviation Industry Initiative.

The initiative’s recently-released Strategic Action Plan, guiding its work until 2026, identified priority areas for the next stage of leadership and culture, visibility and awareness, and collaboration.

That’s why we’re looking to partner with qualified and experienced suppliers to deliver projects supporting these priority areas.

Leadership and culture projects can include training, resources and tools to promote cultural change, as well as mentoring and professional development.

It can also include research that builds on existing work to understand women’s choices to exit the aviation industry and using this research to support their retention.

Visibility and awareness projects can include education seminars, workshops and aviation events aimed at young girls and students, targeted community outreach initiatives to introduce aviation careers to under-represented groups, media campaigns and guidance materials to raise awareness of an aviation career path.

Collaboration projects can include communities of practice, joint training programs, workshops and networking events, and platforms and websites focused on information sharing where women have been traditionally underrepresented.

My department will hold an information session on the Approach to Market and provide an overview of the Women in the Aviation Industry Initiative Strategic Action Plan.

Please register via [email protected] for further details.

brokenagain 1st Nov 2023 23:36

Does this include baggage handlers?

Icarus2001 1st Nov 2023 23:53

We really need to increase the presence of men in the cabin. I call on the government to fund an initiative where we aim for 50% male cabin crew.
Additionally we need more female refuellers, baggage handlers, and engineers.


morno 2nd Nov 2023 00:19


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11531612)
We really need to increase the presence of men in the cabin. I call on the government to fund an initiative where we aim for 50% male cabin crew.
Additionally we need more female refuellers, baggage handlers, and engineers.

Bloody hell Icarus, these days I think they need to incentivise women to become cabin crew! I reckon the numbers are swinging towards having more men at present time :(

AnotherFSO 2nd Nov 2023 00:31


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 11531603)
Does this include baggage handlers?

The title I chose for the thread was inadvertently misleading -- a more careful reading of the content suggests that, yes, they're not just looking for pilots but for workers across all aviation-related careers.

Title edited
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PoppaJo 2nd Nov 2023 00:37

I was recently talking a female Captain who has three daughters in the 20s. Now she tried a bit to get them into the profession, but they wouldn’t have a bar of it. They opted for Construction and Medicine.

The question should be why don’t people be it any gender wish to pursue, in this case, the Flight Deck.

directsosij 2nd Nov 2023 01:26

Soon the problem wont be gender imbalance, it will be skills shortage. Why anybody would consider this industry anymore is beyond me. Long hours, declining conditions and poor treatment. Better to look elsewhere, I wish I had.

dr dre 2nd Nov 2023 02:11


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11531636)

The question should be why don’t people be it any gender wish to pursue, in this case, the Flight Deck.

Whenever a cadet or academy style program opens it generally gets a few thousand applications. I’d say there is no shortage of people wanting to pursue a career in the flight deck when a more structured pathway is available to them.

Ladloy 2nd Nov 2023 03:52


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11531662)
Whenever a cadet or academy style program opens it generally gets a few thousand applications. I’d say there is no shortage of people wanting to pursue a career in the flight deck when a more structured pathway is available to them.

The price is a huge barrier. Just look at Rex. 9 year bond, $150k loan to be paid over that time.

PoppaJo 2nd Nov 2023 05:20

Most pathways are financially challenging. If you self fund over xx years, you are faced with the prospect of minimum wage for many years after getting the first job, extremely unattractive for many, many self funding do borrow the cash also. If you cadet it, you have the debt over your head while earning minimum wage. Most pathways have debt hanging over you.

You don’t need to enter this Industry at 20 either. Nothing wrong with using your 20s in building wealth in an alternate career, buy property, self fund a CPL over xx many years, then perhaps at 30 enter the industry. Age and Life experience will be on your side, you might have a house and thousands in the bank also. My nephew considered aviation at 18. Said he was going to do it. He went into trade instead, and earnt $1m in his 20s. Has zero interest in taking up this industry now.


AnotherFSO 2nd Nov 2023 05:42


Originally Posted by AnotherFSO (Post 11531633)
The title I chose for the thread was inadvertently misleading -- a more careful reading of the content suggests that, yes, they're not just looking for pilots but for workers across all aviation-related careers.

Title edited
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Thank you, Splot.

Led Zep 2nd Nov 2023 06:09


Originally Posted by AnotherFSO (Post 11531577)

...also include research that builds on existing work to understand women’s choices to exit the aviation industry and using this research to support their retention.

Probably the same reason men are exiting the industry.

It's family and lifestyle unfriendly, and all* aviation jobs are woefully compensated with zero benefits and many job pathways have a high cost of entry.

I've just saved the tax payer millions.

*Unless you hold multiple board positions.

DeltaT 2nd Nov 2023 07:17

From a psychological vocation point of view women are more interested in people and men are more interested in things. Hence nurses mainly female and o I don't know, pilots being mainly male. Forcing equal outcomes as opposed to equal opportunity is not the way to go.

A quick google showed this
What percentage of women will have children?
Among currently married women aged 15–49, 81.2% had ever had a child, higher than the percentage for currently cohabiting women, at 59.9%; both were higher than the 22.1% of never married, not cohabiting women who had ever had a child. A similar pattern by marital or cohabiting status was seen for men.

So dare I say it and point out, in the end the airline costs are going to go up for the retraining of female pilots when they come back from maternity leave or opt out of the profession for good to stay home with the kids.

unobtanium 2nd Nov 2023 07:38

women's quit aviation because there pay is not enough to justify the shiftwork and lifestyle so many go to office jobs rather then fly or do shift work out in the weather and the real tough women who work baggage handling hate these inititive's because they done the hard work the,selves no need for cottenwool female recruitment program's

gordonfvckingramsay 2nd Nov 2023 08:04

Maybe the government should incentivise both male and female alike by not allowing their mates in airline management to fvck the incumbent pilot cohort.

morno 2nd Nov 2023 08:06


Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 11531763)
women's quit aviation because there pay is not enough to justify the shiftwork and lifestyle so many go to office jobs rather then fly or do shift work out in the weather and the real tough women who work baggage handling hate these inititive's because they done the hard work the,selves no need for cottenwool female recruitment program's

Sorry, I can’t read that because there’s no grammar or punctuation :ugh:

Pinky the pilot 2nd Nov 2023 09:49


Sorry, I can’t read that because there’s no grammar or punctuation
And what 'punctuation' is there, makes no sense either.

Troo believer 2nd Nov 2023 10:01

Ask the ADF.
Return of service obligation as a pilot if you’re male is 10 years
Female 6 years
work that out.
active discrimination yet they still can’t get women to join.
Flying isn’t a career path most women want to pursue. Health sciences is definitely a preferred path for women which I applaud.

Car RAMROD 2nd Nov 2023 10:18

Here’s an eager one already! :}

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e31e04de98c20d

kingRB 2nd Nov 2023 11:20

Canberra wanted more women in aviation - well the women answered

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....74ff2be3ac.jpg


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