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Jetconnect NZ Salary
Is someone kind enough to give me some idea of the Jetconnect F/O terms and conditions.
Tried using my friend google but a lot of information is out of date. Thanks |
Originally Posted by exBng Pilot
(Post 11411928)
Is someone kind enough to give me some idea of the Jetconnect F/O terms and conditions.
Tried using my friend google but a lot of information is out of date. Thanks honestly mate from people who have worked there. Avoid this company. Only good thing here is the people you work with. this company previously bonded new hires with $80,000 for 2-3 years to stop you from leaving. be very careful |
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db9b29f3a2.png
Straight from the NZALPA documents page. I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. |
You'll be flying the exact same 737s that Qantas Mainline pilots fly from Australia. All VH-registered. But you'll get paid literally half of what the Aussie's get.
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Wikipedia:
On 17 May 2006, the union representing Australian Qantas pilots, the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), lodged an application to the Australian industrial relations commission Fair Work Australia, seeking to alter its eligibility rules to enable the enrolment of Jetconnect pilots in the union. On 23 May 2007 the commission ruled against the union, declining to consider the question, considering it inappropriate for the AIPA to be able to enrol New Zealand–based Jetconnect pilots, as they were already eligible to be members of the New Zealand Air Line Pilots' Association. In December 2009 the AIPA took Jetconnect parent Qantas to Fair Work Australia, accusing the company of deliberately driving down wages and conditions, by undermining the spirit and intent of the Australian Fair Work Act. The AIPA accused Qantas of paying Jetconnect pilots 40 percent less than Qantas pilots, who six months earlier had been flying the majority of the airline's trans-Tasman services. Qantas was confident that it would win the case, stating: "These are New Zealand pilots operating New Zealand-originated services flying New Zealand-registered aircraft operated by a New Zealand entity". In May 2010 Fair Work Australia president Justice Geoffrey Giudice agreed to convene a full bench to hear the application, and in July 2010 the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) was granted leave to intervene in the case after the ACTU argued that the outcome would have major ramifications for labour hire practice in Australia. The ACTU made its final submission regarding the case in March 2011, and in a majority decision handed down in September 2011 Fair Work Australia dismissed the AIPA's application. In June 2011 the ABC program Hungry Beast produced a parody television advertisement for Qantas, highlighting the use of Jetconnect for its trans-Tasman flights. |
Those NZALPA published salaries look reasonable for NZ , although the salary doesn't even compare to QF mainline and that's before you look too deeply into the other value added benefits.
The difference in T&Cs must creat a level of animosity between the two pilot groups, particularly when flying the exact same QF mainline B737s, but unfortunately your options are extremely limited if you want to live and work in NZ. |
This all is from word of mouth but what I have been told that JC will be losing a lot of pilots soon. About 1/3 of their 120 or so pilots looking elsewhere. Some left for Atlas and some leaving for Middle East soon. Struggling to recruit more numbers as some are not turning up and some are rejecting after being given start date. NEW FO under training pay is removed. Current pilots will be given $6k for referring a pilot to join JC, once they complete training. Some of the JC pilots were given a NO result from recent interviews of SO mainline position in order for them to stay in JC group and mainline will be interviewing about 8-10 JC pilots for SO mainline position soon.
You cannot bid for specific trips. You can only bid for RDO's. Day trips are mostly reserved for line training. Multi day trips including up to 4 day trips you will start early Day 1 and finish late close to midnight on Day 4. Last negotiation was straight rollover from previous contract except the salary figures from dctpub's post. No focus to improve any T&C in retaining current JC pilot group as of yet from JC management or QF. |
Thanks for the replies.
The salaries seem on the low side, especially taking into account current inflation levels. What's the progression like to command? |
Originally Posted by dctPub
(Post 11412071)
Straight from the NZALPA documents page.
I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. From today (1st April 2023) the Adult Minimum Wage is $NZ21.70/hour. Assuming a 40 hour week, that's a bit over NZ45,000 p.a. |
Originally Posted by exBng Pilot
(Post 11412493)
Thanks for the replies.
The salaries seem on the low side, especially taking into account current inflation levels. What's the progression like to command? JetConnect used to have a “retention bonus” which was paid on your anniversary each year, but compared to the other operators, was less of a bonus and more of an equalizer… those published rates look like the same figures from 10 years ago just with the retention bonus added in. Unless they’ve still a got an annual retention on top of those figures? But 2% increases while inflation's been 7% for the last 2 years? It’s insulting. For comparison, a year 1 SO at Air NZ starts on $120k, an 8th year A320 FO is on $172k, factor in a better contract and they’re probably on par with a JC skipper. They used to charge for type ratings, but believe it might just be a 2 year bond now? So by all means, if you need 737 rating and a paycheque for 2 years go for it, but sticking around long enough for a Command and potentially getting stuck there (life happens, uprooting a family isn’t easy), couldn’t recommend it. |
Low side indeed, I’d say grim 😳
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The pay might be terrible but you get to wear a white hat and tell the chicks at the bar you are a qantas pilot.
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Most of the chicks will think you're selling ice cream and will go with the tradies who earn double that.
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Originally Posted by b787q300
(Post 11412478)
This all is from word of mouth but what I have been told that JC will be losing a lot of pilots soon. About 1/3 of their 120 or so pilots looking elsewhere. Some left for Atlas and some leaving for Middle East soon. Struggling to recruit more numbers as some are not turning up and some are rejecting after being given start date. NEW FO under training pay is removed. Current pilots will be given $6k for referring a pilot to join JC, once they complete training. Some of the JC pilots were given a NO result from recent interviews of SO mainline position in order for them to stay in JC group and mainline will be interviewing about 8-10 JC pilots for SO mainline position soon.
You cannot bid for specific trips. You can only bid for RDO's. Day trips are mostly reserved for line training. Multi day trips including up to 4 day trips you will start early Day 1 and finish late close to midnight on Day 4. Last negotiation was straight rollover from previous contract except the salary figures from dctpub's post. No focus to improve any T&C in retaining current JC pilot group as of yet from JC management or QF. |
Qantas is taking people from all over the Group. Jetstar is releasing 2 pilots per month, so it could be a long wait. In future Incan see the only way into Mainline will be via one of the Group entities.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11413218)
In future I can see the only way into Mainline will be via one of the Group entities.
The only reason Qantas take internals on is to dangle the carrot of “career progression” and keep people at lower paying subsidiaries for years longer than they should be. I personally know many people who are too critical in their operation to let go and thus they are stuck. the best way to get to mainline is to be outside of Qantas. I have a mate there who says that Jetconnect only releases 1 person for each intake (if female will be expedited, and don’t expect them to respect seniority either they allowed people who were there 6months to leave before people who were there for 6 years… DashTrash |
What he said. There will never be a “Group Only” employment stream for mainline. Doubles the costs essentially.
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For a good laugh search for ‘Hungry Beast Jetconnect Ad’.. it’s on U tube.. Johnny T is in it.. it was done about 12 years ago but still very relevant. Funny but true..
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Originally Posted by dctPub
(Post 11412071)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db9b29f3a2.png
Straight from the NZALPA documents page. I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. That is utterly appalling. No-one should be signing up to work for them at all. Selling yourself and your colleagues out |
Originally Posted by The Love Doctor
(Post 11417999)
That is utterly appalling. No-one should be signing up to work for them at all. Selling yourself and your colleagues out
Easy to say if you have a job, in NZ though if you don't work for Air NZ Jet then your options are Jetstar NZ or Jetconnect, all the other operators pay less than the figures that disgust you. |
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