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brokenagain 31st Mar 2023 01:13

I love seeing them repeatedly advertise for jobs that obviously nobody is applying for. Hopefully someone in ‘the campus’ is watching their KPIs and bonus slip away.

Kiwiconehead 31st Mar 2023 03:30


Originally Posted by brokenagain (Post 11411917)
I love seeing them repeatedly advertise for jobs that obviously nobody is applying for. Hopefully someone in ‘the campus’ is watching their KPIs and bonus slip away.

Also the repeated advertisments are required as part of the labour market testing before they can go for importing temporary visa holders - not that they will get anyone that way either.

aussieflyboy 31st Mar 2023 12:37

Will be interesting to see what this mob end up doing. Will they pay international pilots $400K a year through a pilot contract company or just use the sim/fly the planes around empty for a bit to get the required hours up.

BravoSierraLima 1st Apr 2023 03:12

The initial sectors will be short ones...some NJS crew are asking why not just take a LAME or 2 and fly longer sectors? The sim is expected to be very busy.

gordonfvckingramsay 5th Apr 2023 09:12


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11412226)
Will be interesting to see what this mob end up doing. Will they pay international pilots $400K a year through a pilot contract company or just use the sim/fly the planes around empty for a bit to get the required hours up.

Apparently an application to the Department of Home Affairs has been made to allow the sponsorship of overseas pilots to occur.

RealSatoshi 5th Apr 2023 14:45


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11414992)
Apparently an application to the Department of Home Affairs has been made to allow the sponsorship of overseas pilots to occur.

List of Operators for them to choose from :E

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b119ff0da7.png

FO NappyBum 6th Apr 2023 04:37


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11414992)
Apparently an application to the Department of Home Affairs has been made to allow the sponsorship of overseas pilots to occur.

QLINK Dash gig also

Zeta_Reticuli 6th Apr 2023 05:01


Originally Posted by FO NappyBum (Post 11415482)
QLINK Dash gig also


When is the sackless union going to call out these f**ks and actually do something about it? Want pilots?? Pay them what they are worth!

aussieflyboy 6th Apr 2023 05:15


Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli (Post 11415490)
When is the sackless union going to call out these f**ks and actually do something about it? Want pilots?? Pay them what they are worth!

The AFAP made it crystal clear to NJS Pilots that the A220 agreement that Qantas presented to them was not suitable and recommended a NO vote.

60% (of those that voted) ignored the union.

Zeta_Reticuli 6th Apr 2023 05:22


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11415492)
The AFAP made it crystal clear to NJS Pilots that the A220 agreement that Qantas presented to them was not suitable and recommended a NO vote.

60% (of those that voted) ignored the union.

Half the pilots in this country really need to be taken down a dark alley.

Anyone who has voted for NJS, bin chicken airways and even the dash trash agreements shouldn't be in command of a shopping trolley let alone an aircraft!

FO NappyBum 6th Apr 2023 05:54


Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli (Post 11415494)
Half the pilots in this country really need to be taken down a dark alley.

Anyone who has voted for NJS, bin chicken airways and even the dash trash agreements shouldn't be in command of a shopping trolley let alone an aircraft!

Hence the max exodus within dash 8 ranks. FO wage is now below award, there’s isn’t a shortage of pilots but more the fact new comers are not applying to a gig that’s paying $60-80K. Not in this market anyway.

Zeta_Reticuli 6th Apr 2023 06:02


Originally Posted by FO NappyBum (Post 11415500)
Hence the max exodus within dash 8 ranks. FO wage is now below award, there’s isn’t a shortage of pilots but more the fact new comers are not applying to a gig that’s paying $60-80K. Not in this market anyway.

Its real simple as far as i'm concerned. If these f**ks running the airlines in this country want to keep wages this low they will have to pay for the pilots home and by that I dont mean a 2 bedroom unit, it has to be a minimum of a 3 bedroom home. Why the f**k do I need to go back to my trade on my days off to survive?? No one with a professional career at this level should have to worry about a side job to feed their family! A professional should go to work to earn a decent income and put some money in investments. They should not be worrying about f**king side hustles!

RealSatoshi 6th Apr 2023 06:29


Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli (Post 11415503)
They should not be worrying about f**king side hustles!

...or having to ask for permission to have side hustles 'approved' by the same employer that pays them so little that they actually need side hustles...

Zeta_Reticuli 6th Apr 2023 06:36


Originally Posted by RealSatoshi (Post 11415512)
...or having to ask for permission to have side hustles 'approved' by the same employer that pays them so little that they actually need side hustles...


They can get f**ked! If they want that information they can pay me a liveable salary! These airlines are in for a reality check. At this rate I will be setting up a pilot mercenary business to get as many pilots out of this underpaid sh*thole of a country to other international airlines that need pilots.
It is time that pilots start demanding far better salaries and conditions and if these demands cannot be met its time to strike or leave.

RENURPP 6th Apr 2023 08:14


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11415492)
The AFAP made it crystal clear to NJS Pilots that the A220 agreement that Qantas presented to them was not suitable and recommended a NO vote.

60% (of those that voted) ignored the union.

With all due respect to you, the AFAP are a joke and can not to be taken seriously.
It wasnt that long by ago the AFAP advised the NJS pilots to accept an agreement ”it was a good deal” they said. It was rubbish. It wasn’t accepted and the pilots chose a different union to represent them. and achieved way better conditions. The point being unions/federations , whatever name they go by are simply people with their own agendas, which do not always represent the pilot body. Whilst NJS conditions may no be ideal and I support I mprovements, you cannot say. its because the pilots didn’t obey some dodgy federation and remember their conditions to date have been way ahead of Network/Alliance/Air North or an other comparable company.

RENURPP 6th Apr 2023 08:28


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11415492)
The AFAP made it crystal clear to NJS Pilots that the A220 agreement that Qantas presented to them was not suitable and recommended a NO vote.

60% (of those that voted) ignored the union.

With all due respect to you, the AFAP are a joke and can not to be taken seriously.
It wasnt that long by ago the AFAP advised the NJS pilots to accept an agreement ”it was a good deal” they said. It was rubbish. It wasn’t accepted and the pilots chose a different union to represent them. and achieved way better conditions. The point being unions/federations , whatever name they go by are simply people with their own agendas, which do not always represent the pilot body. Whilst NJS conditions may no be ideal and I support I mprovements, you cannot say. its because the pilots didn’t obey some dodgy federation and remember their conditions to date have been way ahead of Network/Alliance/Air North or an other comparable company.


Take1 7th Apr 2023 06:38

From what I can see in the NJS contract and what I know from Alliance. A 717 FO is on less than an Ejet/F100 FO, Capts on a little more but overall productivity kicks in higher at NJS (65 hours, please correct me if I'm wrong vs 55 Alliance). So I wouldn't say way ahead!

All that said, pilots in Oz need better pay and conditions across the board and hopefully this is something that will start to occur in the not to distant future.

Jimsaviation 7th Apr 2023 09:40


Originally Posted by RENURPP (Post 11415566)
With all due respect to you, the AFAP are a joke and can not to be taken seriously.
It wasnt that long by ago the AFAP advised the NJS pilots to accept an agreement ”it was a good deal” they said. It was rubbish. It wasn’t accepted and the pilots chose a different union to represent them. and achieved way better conditions. The point being unions/federations , whatever name they go by are simply people with their own agendas, which do not always represent the pilot body. Whilst NJS conditions may no be ideal and I support I mprovements, you cannot say. its because the pilots didn’t obey some dodgy federation and remember their conditions to date have been way ahead of Network/Alliance/Air North or an other comparable company.

The AFAP said to vote no; the pilots voted yes. Not sure what you are talking about, but the AFAP can’t do anything if the pilots there are too frightened to fight for an agreement that doesn’t resemble a worthless pile of crap! It’s embarrassing.

tossbag 7th Apr 2023 10:10

Wooooo-hoooooooo, those Delta pilots will be just craaaaaawwwwllling over each other for an Australian A220 gig.

Jimsaviation 17th May 2023 05:36

QJE 1510 drilling holes over MEL this morning! Does anyone know what it was?


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