The list of Aviation workers voting for Protection Industrial Action keeps growing
Too little for too long, whilst the overlords of the industry rape and pillage at the expense of their staff members. Good luck to all those who choose Protected Industrial Action. Hopefully with a new government in office and all of the negative press surrounding the industry things may change sooner rather than later. Time will tell.
The list of those voting for PIA: Qantas LAMEs Jetstar LAMEs Network LAMEs VARA LAMEs DNATA ground handling Their may be more in the pipeline, these are the ones I have seen in the media. There is only so much middle management to fill the gaps should the industrial action take place. |
Rex Pilots
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Could we soon add JQ pilots to the list? Any idea how the negotiations are going? They seem to be one of the only pilot groups united in their resolve…
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I’m pretty sure you will be able to add all the VA groups as well in another two years……………
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Now is the time to do it, Airlines are desperately short of staff and many staff have other options.
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Airport Firies
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The list is bigger than I anticipated.
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Probably add every Aviation group in the next 12 months!!!
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If safety is the issue that really bothers the TWU how about instead of short notice strikes that alienate the public (and possibly spawn more right wing voters) they work to force capacity caps on airlines and airports until they lift their game? The Poms appear to have done this.
50 or 60% on time performance is simply not acceptable. Cut back service until 90% is assured - of course the unions have to play a part in delivering this, too. We know money is also an issue, and probably the root issue, but ain’t that the case for most of us now? |
Originally Posted by davidclarke
(Post 11267981)
Could we soon add JQ pilots to the list? Any idea how the negotiations are going? They seem to be one of the only pilot groups united in their resolve…
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 11269030)
If safety is the issue that really bothers the TWU how about instead of short notice strikes that alienate the public (and possibly spawn more right wing voters) they work to force capacity caps on airlines and airports until they lift their game? The Poms appear to have done this.
50 or 60% on time performance is simply not acceptable. Cut back service until 90% is assured - of course the unions have to play a part in delivering this, too. We know money is also an issue, and probably the root issue, but ain’t that the case for most of us now? The major issue is the ground handling companies can't fulfil their contracts. QGS was able to handle it, the current mobs can't. It never used to take 1 hour to get the bags from the plane to the carousel. Pre 2020 I can count on 1 finger the amount of times I saw a plane fully loaded with pax and the bags hadn't started even being loaded at departure time. Today its a daily occurance. As managemnent have said they've been using 3rd party ground handlers successfully in 45 out of 55 airports around the world or something like that, maybe the ones that had 1, maybe 2 flights at a time. Not 30 flights leaving in 1 hour. |
Screw the people, the customers, who pay your way.
That’s the 19th Century Australian way! |
Originally Posted by 600ft-lb
(Post 11269035)
So halve the available seats with current demand ? Drive the cost of a flight from Brisbane to Sydney to $5000 ?
The major issue is the ground handling companies can't fulfil their contracts. QGS was able to handle it, the current mobs can't. It never used to take 1 hour to get the bags from the plane to the carousel. Pre 2020 I can count on 1 finger the amount of times I saw a plane fully loaded with pax and the bags hadn't started even being loaded at departure time. Today its a daily occurance. As managemnent have said they've been using 3rd party ground handlers successfully in 45 out of 55 airports around the world or something like that, maybe the ones that had 1, maybe 2 flights at a time. Not 30 flights leaving in 1 hour. But meantime while they get their sh!t together, halving capacity to force an improvement in on-time performance wouldn't drive up airfares too much if strong anti-gouging laws were put in place. It would hurt airline profits, but too bad, so sad - anything to concentrate beancounters' minds. The whole mess that has made us one of the worst performing countries in the western world will seriously damage inbound and domestic tourism, unless government, unions and airlines work together as a matter of urgency. Anyone planning a Christmas holiday in OZ had better think again. If a SYD-BNE on QF or VA did end up costing $5000 a pop (or even $1000) REX would love it. They would of course need in-house handling. There's a whole pool of ex-QF people just waiting for the call. |
have a look at the ramp staff they are going thru them bag chucker's so fast they cannot even get asic's in time let alone train people up, everyone is on vistor's pass's and many don't even have airside driving license's, this includes pushback tug driver's. the whole system is beyond broken its not even funny anymore
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I have noticed QF is now rolling out the esteemed Andrew David to front the media since Alan Joyce is so on the nose with the flying public.
Even when questioned about the illegal sacking of 2000 ramp workers, AD keeps up the company line that "we don't believe it was illegal and that is why we are taking it to the next court". They just don't get it. Once the music stops, who will be left without a seat on the board/executive? |
Originally Posted by Bootstrap1
(Post 11269133)
I have noticed QF is now rolling out the esteemed Andrew David to front the media since Alan Joyce is so on the nose with the flying public.
Even when questioned about the illegal sacking of 2000 ramp workers, AD keeps up the company line that "we don't believe it was illegal and that is why we are taking it to the next court". They just don't get it. Once the music stops, who will be left without a seat on the board/executive? Amazing how he brushes off the luggage fiasco & comes out with crap about how the ratio of lost bags is no worse than it was pre covid & then tries to convince himself that there is no issue with call centre wait times. They just deny,deny,deny & blame everybody else. He just doesnt understand that long serving employees who get a decent wage for what they do will take ownership of problems & go the extra yard to keep passengers happy whereas lowly paid contractors just go 'i get paid pittance so that problem is way above my pay grade' |
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 11269049)
Screw the people, the customers, who pay your way.
That’s the 19th Century Australian way! |
Originally Posted by Bootstrap1
(Post 11269133)
I have noticed QF is now rolling out the esteemed Andrew David to front the media since Alan Joyce is so on the nose with the flying public.
Even when questioned about the illegal sacking of 2000 ramp workers, AD keeps up the company line that "we don't believe it was illegal and that is why we are taking it to the next court". They just don't get it. Once the music stops, who will be left without a seat on the board/executive? And when the High Court upholds the FWC and Federal Court's opinion on the matter, I expect AD will still say Qantas Management did nothing illegal and the FWC, Federal Court and High Court Commissioners and Judges have all got it wrong. |
Originally Posted by Talkwrench
(Post 11269602)
And when the High Court upholds the FWC and Federal Court's opinion on the matter, I expect AD will still say Qantas Management did nothing illegal and the FWC, Federal Court and High Court Commissioners and Judges have all got it wrong.
They have no respect for anybody & over the years all of the employee goodwill has been eroded due to the actions of the parasites running this company. |
Well, first cab off the rank to vote in favour of protected industrial action is DNATA. Not even a personal visit by none other than Alan Joyce himself could deter these ramp staff from voting in favour for better pay. Read the room Alan.
Today the ballot closes for LAMEs from Qantas, Jetstar and Alliance. I would say there is a better than fair chance that all 3 of these ballots will be yes votes. The industry needs this. AJ and his cronies are a cancer on Australian aviation, and nothing will hurt him more than a reduction in his bonuses. |
Originally Posted by Bootstrap1
(Post 11275342)
Well, first cab off the rank to vote in favour of protected industrial action is DNATA. Not even a personal visit by none other than Alan Joyce himself could deter these ramp staff from voting in favour for better pay. Read the room Alan.
Today the ballot closes for LAMEs from Qantas, Jetstar and Alliance. I would say there is a better than fair chance that all 3 of these ballots will be yes votes. The industry needs this. AJ and his cronies are a cancer on Australian aviation, and nothing will hurt him more than a reduction in his bonuses. |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11275350)
Rex Saab pilots have already completed a round of PIA also. Too little too late in terms of pilot retention, though. Those who stay will have a somewhat palatable EBA.
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
(Post 11275359)
what actions did they take, and what changes did it result in Rex agreeing to?
The company was refusing to negotiate and now they've come to the table after two weeks of uplifting fuel at outports. They're offering 1 extra RDO per month, CPI within 2-4. Backpay still needs to be negotiated but it's a lot better than what the company originally offered. 20 odd pilots quit last week. Just under 10% of the seniority list. |
PROTECTED Industrial Action surely, not 'protection'.
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 11269030)
If safety is the issue that really bothers the TWU how about instead of short notice strikes that alienate the public (and possibly spawn more right wing voters) they work to force capacity caps on airlines and airports until they lift their game? The Poms appear to have done this.
50 or 60% on time performance is simply not acceptable. Cut back service until 90% is assured - of course the unions have to play a part in delivering this, too. We know money is also an issue, and probably the root issue, but ain’t that the case for most of us now? That was a rare case, but regardless of the legality of the QF action, that particular work group caused untold damage to the brand over many, many years, even going back to government ownership. It's a little hard to have sympathy now that the boot is on the other foot. Hate good people losing their jobs but it's not like this was 15 year olds down a mine, it was bordering on a sheltered workshop at times. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 11269872)
Of course he will,the 'always right' attitude starts right at the top & goes right down through the management chain.
They have no respect for anybody & over the years all of the employee goodwill has been eroded due to the actions of the parasites running this company. |
Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
(Post 11275459)
No option of AD but what if the HC doesn't uphold the lower court's decision?? It works both ways, will the union be saying the HC got it wrong??
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Originally Posted by Bootstrap1
(Post 11275342)
Well, first cab off the rank to vote in favour of protected industrial action is DNATA. Not even a personal visit by none other than Alan Joyce himself could deter these ramp staff from voting in favour for better pay. Read the room Alan.
Today the ballot closes for LAMEs from Qantas, Jetstar and Alliance. I would say there is a better than fair chance that all 3 of these ballots will be yes votes. The industry needs this. AJ and his cronies are a cancer on Australian aviation, and nothing will hurt him more than a reduction in his bonuses. We all know what management brings to these meetings,BS,BS & more BS. 100 % agree with AJ & his cronies being a cancer & they all need to be shown up for exactly what they are,a self entitled mob of bullies who think they are above every industrial law & agreement which suddenly doesnt suit them any more. |
Qantas Jetstar and Network LAMEs begin their PIA campaign tomorrow with 1 minute stoppages at the beginning of shifts. Knowing Qantas and co it will get nasty.
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Would be good if their unions supplied a brief PA that we could make when delayed due to the action.
‘Folks, due to the lack of action by management in helping our friends in the aircraft maintenance department we will be delayed by approx xxx minutes. As pilots we fully support our engineering friends and wish them well in their endeavours of achieving fair and equitable working conditions” |
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11284519)
Would be good if their unions supplied a brief PA that we could make when delayed due to the action.
‘Folks, due to the lack of action by management in helping our friends in the aircraft maintenance department we will be delayed by approx xxx minutes. As pilots we fully support our engineering friends and wish them well in their endeavours of achieving fair and equitable working conditions” |
Well that’s a little more than wearing red ties….and remember Alan shut Qantas down over that, saying it was for safety!!!
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From the abc https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-...sult/101368062
Starting with1 minute strikes to validate commencement of protected action. "Mark" in the article is 100% spot on. Engineering has been gutted of people, parts and infrastructure. Facilities are from the middle of last century. Compared to "The Street" they're medieval. |
Originally Posted by ampclamp
(Post 11284662)
From the abc https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-...sult/101368062
Starting with1 minute strikes to validate commencement of protected action. "Mark" in the article is 100% spot on. Engineering has been gutted of people, parts and infrastructure. Facilities are from the middle of last century. Compared to "The Street" they're medieval. Make sure when u are driving around looking for that invisible piece of equipment that all airport speed limits are adhered to,Take 5! |
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