I had a QF CN friend of mine being basically harassed and abused and threatened by BF staff in CNS airport arrivals because “he didn’t present the correct paperwork before the flight landed” a job that QF should have done whilst he was in flight. He pointed out he didn’t know what the paperwork was, it wasn’t his job to send it to BF in flight as he can’t. They didn’t care and told him that he could be personally fined and charged as the CN of the flight…….
Nothing friendly about them at all toward a crew that had just done CNS HKG CNS all night and not stepped off the Jet.

Who in the hell do they think they are?

The infrastructure can’t cope with the volume of travellers. Cheap fares are the problem. Halve the number of passengers and double or triple the ticket cost to keep passenger numbers down. Problem solved. Air travel should be a privilege not an entitlement.

And then you may as well halve the number of jobs!

It’s not 1980 anymore pal.

Given everythiong we are seeing these days the simple answer is unfortunately NO.

MCD :suspect:

No, in a word. Having worked for a once great airline, it all changed when profit became the greatest priority.

Whatever, so now we have twice the jobs receiving half the money and no future.
Wish it was 1980.

I’ll tell you what, if you were receiving double the money than what we get now, for doing the same job, I’d call you overpaid and out of touch. Our jobs aren’t that difficult nor risky, that we need to be paid $400k a year.

Go back to 1980

Would you say that about the management? Because they have managed to pull it off. Compared to 1980 their renumeration has gone exponential for doing the same job.

Indeed it isn’t.The quick fix is to reduce the number of passengers now. The unpalatable and expensive long term fix is to upgrade the infrastructure. Unlike the 80s, we now live in a user pays world.

Populations everywhere have almost doubled since 1980. Airfares as a percentage of average income are now some fraction of what they were then.

And one of the many reasons why airfares are so cheap? Airline Jobs per passenger have been more than halved since then.

Things are definitely not any better now for the passenger nor for the average airline industry employee.

Oh, I don't know, I was around in 1980, young, dumb and full of you know what. And there was not a chance of me being able to buy a ticket anywhere on an aircraft. It was something the elites did. Did more than one trip on the greyhound from Brisbane to Sydney, it's not something I'm keen to repeat, EVER. Anyone remember the Grafton bus crash that killed 21 people in '89? How about the Kempsey crash, also in '89. 35 dead.

Things are waaaaaay better now. But they could be even better, that would mean working together to make things better though, in Australia? Not a chance.

Perhaps ones lens is somewhat myopic. This career is riddled with high risk. The returns are simply not in line with the risk and sacrifice.
Should one suffer from SJS then they may have a compromised assessment.

So qantas deploys 100 manager's to the frontline to help out the ground staff load bags, hand out snacks to angry passengers waiting in line at the dropoff bay's. seems like the company can spare 100 managers, who obviously counldn't of manage anything in the first place leading up to this mess.

The managers will surely be awarded a suitable “bonus” and a badge for going above and beyond…

Gee your post is an Airline Management wet dream. It’s not about whether the job is difficult or not, look at the bigger picture.
Stop selling yourself short :=

Oh trust me, I’m all for a fair salary, and I certainly don’t underestimate my responsibilities. But do you suggest that I should be on $450k minimum? That’s dreaming and laughable.

Management salaries are out of control, but it’s not unique to our industry. That could be a whole topic in itself and I don’t think you’re ever going to get anywhere with it.

Well good luck with that :rolleyes:

At least when it doesn’t happen, I won’t be surprised and my blood pressure won’t go through the roof like it will the angry and unrealistic.

I think you missed the part where I said I was all for reasonable and fair. But are we the only industry in the last 20 years that have the same problem? The whole country has had stagnant wage growth for years!

What’s your point? Just because it’s widespread doesn’t mean we just sit there and say “we’ll I guess that’s our lot it life”. If every industry is in the same boat and we all wait for other industries to push back, we will all stay in the same old vortex of reducing standards of living.

P.S. wage stagnation is not what we have seen. In many industries there has been positive downward pressure on wages all while the true cost of living rises rapidly.

Thats correct. When during the border closure you heard industry leaders saying .. “ we need skilled immigrants”.. that’s code for… “ we need people who will work for less than a Australian worker.”

Correct. All the while placing downward pressure and “resets” on already borderline conditions.

What is the median house price in Australia? Is that a realistic measure? The Valuers general has increased UCV of land. This has the effects of raising tax revenue… always. People from overseas seem to have the money to migrate here, buy a house, have a higher cost of living and take a job with below the salary they took for the same work overseas… many even get extra pension from the motherland! All to push aside someone here who asked for more for the same job.
That is taking advantage of a system.

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But as the business owner, who doesn't care about points A through E, only about point F, why would you pay someone more for the same job, when there is someone equally qualified who will happily do it for less? They are just buying a pilot. Do you never buy any product when it's on special?