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On eyre 15th Mar 2022 10:30

QF10 Interesting routing tonight
 
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d090bf1ea6.png
Long way home tonight.

Going Nowhere 15th Mar 2022 11:11

ZNB was struck by lightning enroute MEL-DRW on Sunday.

On eyre 15th Mar 2022 11:46

So scared to go direct tonight ? Or checking out the GAFA ?

umop3pisdn 20th Mar 2022 03:04

YBAS not a good enough diversion aerodrome?

C441 20th Mar 2022 04:55

Non-ETOPS (or whatever it's called these days) with Alice unavailable? We did some convoluted tracks like this on the 767 from Japan to Cairns when Port Moresby wasn't available and only 120 mins ETOPS. Mind you there was no ADSB 'watching' either so a few corners might have been straightened out…..avoiding weather of course.:)

Capt Fathom 20th Mar 2022 07:41

FL260 via a scenic route would suggest a fuel burning exercise.

slice 20th Mar 2022 13:04

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6cf74ab460.png
A330 PER-BNE non-EDTO route with YBAS closed. Approx 6.5 hrs😣

Derfred 20th Mar 2022 18:47

Why is everyone flying around non-EDTO?

engine out 20th Mar 2022 20:57

Aircraft was filled with fuel for London but had to go to Melbourne for maintenance after lightning strike. So yes it was purely a fuel burning exercise.

On eyre 21st Mar 2022 02:02


Originally Posted by engine out (Post 11202924)
Aircraft was filled with fuel for London but had to go to Melbourne for maintenance after lightning strike. So yes it was purely a fuel burning exercise.

Thanks for that - was the lightning strike before or after it got to Darwin ?
I would presume before - so why fill it up ?

Alice Kiwican 21st Mar 2022 03:19


Originally Posted by Going Nowhere (Post 11200176)
ZNB was struck by lightning enroute MEL-DRW on Sunday.

if struck enroute to Darwin why the need for the unusual routing back to Melbourne? Did they land at Darwin and fuel up for London before realising the aircraft would be required to return to Melbourne?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t it have been prudent to assume the worst and not put on London fuel in Darwin I assume until they knew that would be the destination?

KAPAC 21st Mar 2022 03:41

Can the aircraft defuel? Is Darwin setup for Defuel ?

BuzzBox 21st Mar 2022 04:13


Originally Posted by KAPAC (Post 11203000)
Can the aircraft defuel? Is Darwin setup for Defuel ?

The B787 can be defuelled; however, fuel that is removed from an aircraft must be stored in a separate tanker. It cannot be mixed with other fuel to reduce the risk of contamination that might affect other aircraft. They would not have been able to defuel the aircraft unless they had an empty tanker or two on hand. Many years ago, I had to defuel a B777 after a refuelling error at a Middle Eastern airport. It took the engineers several hours to find a single empty tanker.

601 21st Mar 2022 12:15


It cannot be mixed with other fuel to reduce the risk of contamination that might affect other aircraft.
Just pump it straight into another aircraft.
I am sure plenty of local operators would have welcomed some free fuel.

A320 Glider 21st Mar 2022 12:17

Probably went on a kangaroo sight seeing tour knowing you Aussies :O

tossbag 21st Mar 2022 13:14

The only sight seeing we do with roos is through a telescopic one, a gun sight.

compressor stall 21st Mar 2022 20:23


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11203226)
Just pump it straight into another aircraft.
I am sure plenty of local operators would have welcomed some free fuel.

run that one past legal….
And that’s a lot of 44’s.

A320 Glider 21st Mar 2022 21:33


Originally Posted by tossbag (Post 11203276)
The only sight seeing we do with roos is through a telescopic one, a gun sight.

Haha amen brother!

43Inches 21st Mar 2022 21:46

Weather radar inop and it routed around areas with thunderstorm predictions?

Capt Fathom 21st Mar 2022 21:55

As mentioned in an earlier post…….

Aircraft was filled with fuel for London but had to go to Melbourne for maintenance after lightning strike. So yes it was purely a fuel burning exercise.

43Inches 21st Mar 2022 22:01

Was it possibly a weather radar inop? The routing to avoid forecast storms, could answer why it was hit by lightning in the first place or maybe the result of.

43Inches 21st Mar 2022 23:28

I just wondering what the legal implications will be in the future regarding this sort of 'burning off' fossil fuels for pure convenience rather than dealing with the waste in an environmentally friendly method. It really is no different to pouring your waste in the local creek cause its easier than organising proper disposal. BTW it's not just QF that deal with fuel overloads like this.

unobtanium 21st Mar 2022 23:56


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11203614)
I just wondering what the legal implications will be in the future regarding this sort of 'burning off' fossil fuels for pure convenience rather than dealing with the waste in an environmentally friendly method. It really is no different to pouring your waste in the local creek cause its easier than organising proper disposal. BTW it's not just QF that deal with fuel overloads like this.

How about flying empty A380's around the world to save a dollar? As long as they keep showing 'commitment' to green sustainability garbage, the aviation industry is anything but green. ask the cleaners how they recycle the thousands of tiny water bottles and mini cans used every flight, yup straight into the bin. they get in trouble for wasting time seperating them for recycling whether or not they keep the 10cent refund.

43Inches 22nd Mar 2022 01:37

There's very few companies with a conscience out there, most of what looks like progressive or green practice is forced on them by rules, either existing or incoming. There was no better example than the Australian mining boss who was awarded for green policy in his business as it seemed proactive in addressing environmental issues within it's Australian operations. In reality they were only complying with Australian guidelines, nothing in excess of that, meanwhile in New Guinea they were dumping gold mine tailings in the ocean next to reefs and inhabited islands. When asked about this process, which was banned in Australia, the answer was, "That is a different country with different rules..." So much for proactive environmentalism, we just admit we got awarded for following the rules...

FPDO 24th Mar 2022 03:23

They wanted to keep away from the new Class E airspace at Ayers Rock :)


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