|
Gosh I hope so!
|
People like McGowan make Kim Jong Un look like a saint
|
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11102438)
We have very different challenges here in Australia than you do in Europe, Europe is like one country with a couple of billion people in it. Australia is a very big country with 25 million, we can't get help from the other states let alone another westernised country. If any one state was to lose 20% of it's specialised skills at the same time even temporarily, we would be in trouble.
except for the climate the 2 countries are pretty similar. Most of the populations live in the cities, and the vast expanse of agriculture, and mining are immense. Im off to see my family there in October that I haven’t seen in over 2 years. The reason countries can start to get back to a semblance of normality… vaccinations. It’s the only game in town, if you want to play that is. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11103336)
Can the feds open NSW for international travel whilst everyone else stays the covid zero course and stay in lockdown (Vic)?
once we reach 80% the feds will open the borders without quarantine to certain countries. What the states then do (or try to do) will be up to them. Morrison has been arguing since day one (well, since first national cabinet) that quarantine facilities are a state responsibility. I suspect NSW will open up in line with federal guidance. Other states (particularly WA, QLD, TAS, SA IF they’re still COVID-zero) will stay closed. Vic could swing either way depending on their COVID status at the time we hit 80%. I think it’s quite feasible that NSW residents may be able to travel overseas before they can travel interstate. I think it’s also quite feasible that some tourists may arrive in Sydney and arrive on the QLD border in their bongo van a few weeks later asking themselves, “WTAF?”. We’ll just have to see how it all plays out. |
If they tell QLD they’re an international cricket team it will be free passage.
|
I read this morning that NSW cannot open internationally without the entire country reaching the mandated vaccination percentage. It was in my news feed somewhere but can’t quote it here.
|
Re my contribution about 47 posts ago... Australian Aviation must have noticed it. I'd guess they've partnered with QF to lock up the info in the interests of the competition. Doesn't stop us 'guessing' though...
https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/pr...80-600x336.jpg Place your bets! Which Qantas A380s are grounded for life?As Qantas announces that two of its 12 Airbus A380s are set to be retired, Australian Aviation looks back on the history of the airline's A380 fleet, and gives you the chance to guess which superjumbos are destined to be grounded for life. https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/pr...7e7ea17c7c.jpg 30 Aug 2021 |
Originally Posted by highflyer40
(Post 11103546)
Im off to see my family there in October that I haven’t seen in over 2 years. . ...ok, I'll bite....how the hell can you do that? |
Gladys has finally raised international travel when we, in NSW, hit 80% very likely could be on.
|
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11103792)
Gladys has finally raised international travel when we, in NSW, hit 80% very likely could be on.
|
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11103802)
She did say wouldn't that be wonderful, but still didn't commit. Two more weeks is my guess and the health system will be at capacity.
WA tho, they're over run and at capacity with sprained ankles and migraines WA have no hope at all, good luck is all I can say. Lord McGowen has now pushed blame on the Feds because of NDIS patients taking up space, maybe something he could of raised 18 months ago if it were true. |
Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
(Post 11103777)
...ok, I'll bite....how the hell can you do that?
|
Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
(Post 11103777)
...ok, I'll bite....how the hell can you do that?
|
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11103820)
Obviously he's not in Australia or NZ and most likely a Canadian Citizen
Apply for an exemption to leave, meet all criteria and off you go, knowing how hard it is to return. The automatic passport gate at the airport even reminds you and makes you acknowledge prior to allowing your exit. Coming back? Well if QF gets the December roadmap working……… |
[QUOTE=SHVC;11103807]That is right she didn't, she is playing politics with that comment by planting the seed. I am sure other states will here that and go "what about us". As for being over run, they already said October will be busiest months but wont be over run. /QUOTE]
"What About Us" more likely could have been us, glad not to be in NSW right now, same as we said during VIC. "Busiest Month" more likely First month overwhelmed. We're still not coming Gladys, we told you so. |
if that does happen, lock down the vulnerable keep them at home so they’re safe! Mid October is the 80% target arrival. For us vaccinated I’m ready to go out and enjoy life it’s not even about my employment anymore.
|
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11103905)
if that does happen, lock down the vulnerable keep them at home so they’re safe! Mid October is the 80% target arrival. For us vaccinated I’m ready to go out and enjoy life it’s not even about my employment anymore.
|
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11103908)
I'm hearing you mate, it's fatigue, I really do feel for you guys in NSW and VIC, particularly those in the Capitals. Do all you can not to get yourself infected and as a state, keep it out of the regions as best you can, sadly the vaccination rate will slow down now, there isn't enough to go around, many haven't been vaccinated long enough to make a difference. I fear it's going to get really ugly from here on in.
|
...it's as ugly as sin in Japan, and that's one of the Qantas 'Safe Countries'.
|
Singapore has started publishing figures of seriously ill COVID cases as well as total. With a population of 6 million, 80% vaccinated there are 24 seriously ill cases 19 of which require oxygen and 5 are in the ICU. Most of those are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. New cases are running at about 100-200 a day. They have a plan laid out for gradually opening open over the next few months.
These guys seem to have their act well together and have kept the death toll to just over 50, most of which were elderly with underlying health conditions. Singapore is even in a position to supply vaccines to Australia. |
Looks like the gauntlets have been thrown down... From News.com this morning, bold highlights are mine.
Originally Posted by News.com
Residents in NSW could be sipping beer at the local pub and attending events in large groups by the end of October if the state Premier has her way.Gladys Berejiklian made the bold promise while speaking to Sunrise on Wednesday morning. She said once the state hits it 70 per cent vaccination target for double doses “you can expect to do everything that you missed doing”. “Whether it is attending a public event or having a drink, if you are fully vaccinated and the state has hit its 70 per cent double dose target, please expect to do all of those things we have been missing for too long,” Ms Berejiklian said. “I’m looking forward to that and I want to thank everybody for coming forward to getting vaccinated.”
The Premier also pledged to ensure Australians could come home for Christmas with the state forecast to hit its 80 per cent double dose target in November. “At 80 per cent double dose vaccination we can look forward to international travel and that is the plan that we all signed up to,” she said. “I am really committed to making sure NSW residents have access to international travel once we get that 80 per cent double dose and most importantly, I want every Aussie who wants to come home back to Australia to get back home for Christmas. “If that means coming through Sydney airport, you are more than welcome.” The Premier was probed about whether NSW would go alone on the international travel plan if other states or territories remained reluctant to open up. “I suspect Victoria will be with us,” Ms Berejiklian said. “I have not followed the case numbers today in Victoria but their path is not different to what NSW went through a month or two ago. “I would hope the two largest states will lead the way (and) that all the state premiers do what we all signed up to.” Ms Berejiklian was adamant she did not want the eight million people in NSW to suffer because other jurisdictions would not stick to what was planned in terms of the country’s path out of the pandemic. “If not at 80 per cent double dose, then when?,” she queried. NSW recorded 1164 new locally acquired cases of Covid-19 on Tuesday and more than 67 per cent of eligible residents had received one dose of the Covid vaccine in NSW. According to the Covid Live website, which provides real-time updates on vaccination targets, NSW should reach 70 per cent for first doses on September 3. Seventy per cent of eligible residents should have had both doses by October 21. Ms Berejiklian told the Today show authorities were working on the QR code system so when a person checks into a business, it will signal whether they are vaccinated or not. "Many places won’t let anybody in if you don’t have that vaccination verification,” she said. “The government policy will lead the way in terms of only allowing vaccinated people to do things at 70 per cent. “Even if you get to 80 per cent double dose some airlines might say you can’t fly with us unless you're fully vaccinated. I’m urging everyone to consider your options.” The Premier said discussions would take place later this week about whether or not the regional lockdown would extend beyond September 10 as case numbers continued to pop up across the state. “We’ll have those conversations this week and next week about whether we can let some regions and some parts of our communities go back to a relatively normal life,” Ms Berejiklian said. |
Good on her for having a plan. She got a lot of criticism about the latest out break but, like a true politician has found a way to regain her popularity back. Back in July I was very annoyed at her but now I want the shackles off and be able to go to a cafe or go out to watch a live band and a beer. Bring on 80% bring the OS stranded Aussies home if possible bring travel on internationally and rest of Australia can watch from the cave they’re happy to be hiding in. They will soon be knocking on their premiers door especially the cashes up resource workers who like a bin tang.
|
Originally Posted by krismiler
(Post 11104381)
Singapore has started publishing figures of seriously ill COVID cases as well as total. With a population of 6 million, 80% vaccinated there are 24 seriously ill cases 19 of which require oxygen and 5 are in the ICU. Most of those are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. New cases are running at about 100-200 a day. They have a plan laid out for gradually opening open over the next few months.
These guys seem to have their act well together and have kept the death toll to just over 50, most of which were elderly with underlying health conditions. Singapore is even in a position to supply vaccines to Australia. Other than that, yep Singapore leading the way. Straya is heading to living with Covid not by choice but simply by the fact that NSW & VIC are never going back to zero, no doubt Canberra next and my guess SA. Then it’s really QLD, WA & the NT and it’s only a matter of time until another ‘outbreak’. |
Sounds fair, give it a shot.
The WA Premier is in deep **** tho....they can't deal with any more sick folk. The Perth hospital system is in crisis, and that's just a normal month. SNAFU If WA follows the 80% guideline, the Premier knows that he will kill people. |
Anna stay away has changed her policy this morning regarding residents returning to QLD because of backlash. Didn’t take long.
|
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11104398)
Anna stay away has changed her policy this morning regarding residents returning to QLD because of backlash. Didn’t take long.
|
Over-ruled by the Polls advice.
|
Being over rules by the polls advice is the only way we can move forward. It will be early next yr and QLD will be open for international travel if NSW and VIC are doing it by NOV/DEC this yr.
|
The other States will basically be forced to open up if NSW opens.
Do you really think an Estonian backpacker cares or even knows about a State border? They’ll get stopped on the M1 and then just find another way around. |
Well, the first piece of the puzzle appears to be falling in to place, and it appears to answer the question about whether states can open individually for international travel. Timing is key on this as I’m sure there will be a huge push from NSW and probably VIC to get international students back in the country for the start of the undergraduate year.
We naturally think about tourism first and foremost but education was a $40 billion export earner in 2019. States that fully vaccinate 80 per cent of people aged 16 and older will be able to resume international travel, as the Prime Minister said a new deal to will double Australia’s vaccine supplies for September will speed up reopening. |
Didn't the Government extend the border closure to Mid December last night? That means really only one way travel Internationally until late in the year.
|
Originally Posted by coaldemon
(Post 11105562)
Didn't the Government extend the border closure to Mid December last night? That means really only one way travel Internationally until late in the year.
|
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11105571)
Yes they did. They date they chose was very convenient also. I can see travel going as scheduled Ppl have had enough now.
I'm not in the West, but friends of mine are perfectly happy living over there in their Covid-free bubble. Clearly "most people" on PPRUNE have a vested interest in travel opening up, but I do wonder how people in Covid-free (and basically Covid-free) places actually feel? Do we sometimes forget that PPRUNE posters are only a small minority of the total TTS |
Originally Posted by TurningTheSpanners
(Post 11105908)
I wonder "which people" have had enough?
I'm not in the West, but friends of mine are perfectly happy living over there in their Covid-free bubble. Clearly "most people" on PPRUNE have a vested interest in travel opening up, but I do wonder how people in Covid-free (and basically Covid-free) places actually feel? Do we sometimes forget that PPRUNE posters are only a small minority of the total TTS |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11105912)
Funny you should say that. I am right now at a birthday lunch with 40 people. The general consensus is.. keep the borders shut and who wants to go overseas anyway. And as things getting better in NSW in two weeks…
|
The Problem
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11105912)
Funny you should say that. I am right now at a birthday lunch with 40 people. The general consensus is.. keep the borders shut and who wants to go overseas anyway. And as things getting better in NSW in two weeks…
BUT!! It’s not a matter of “if” Delta/Covid gets into WA, but WHEN. Anything else is just living in fantasy land. The time should be used productively by vaccinating as widely as possible plus preparing the health system to cope with expected cases. WA will be dragged into reality like the rest of Australia (and now NZ). |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11105926)
Yes great you can have a party lunch with a reasonable number of people…
BUT!! It’s not a matter of “if” Delta/Covid gets into WA, but WHEN. Anything else is just living in fantasy land. The time should be used productively by vaccinating as widely as possible plus preparing the health system to cope with expected cases. WA will be dragged into reality like the rest of Australia (and now NZ). |
A problem with these discussions is that they are in a context that assumes the borders - international and internal - are "closed". They aren't. Nor are there "lockdowns". Only a very narrow class of us nobodies are prevented from travelling internationally or internally.
That's why the pox is spreading. |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11105926)
Yes great you can have a party lunch with a reasonable number of people…
BUT!! It’s not a matter of “if” Delta/Covid gets into WA, but WHEN. Anything else is just living in fantasy land. The time should be used productively by vaccinating as widely as possible plus preparing the health system to cope with expected cases. WA will be dragged into reality like the rest of Australia (and now NZ). |
It’s not a matter of “if” Delta/Covid gets into WA, but WHEN. The focus now needs to be on gradual easing of restrictions as the vaccination rate increases. Eliminating COVID is now impossible, it's something we now have to learn to live with and manage. Early signs are encouraging that it can be done. |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 21:02. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.