What ‘facts’ doesn’t Barrt3344 have ? I don’t read anything in that post that is not at least in the realm of possibility.

I suggest that you do not hold your breath waiting for wide body ops.

Well great news to see the top 100 or so coming back. I don’t forget that it was all of you who quite literally started this company from day one. I wouldn’t have been here if you hadn’t. Tough **** to all the wringers out there. Can’t wait to shout you guys a coffee when your back. 🤙

That's the spirit! What a refreshing attitude.

+1
Also a shoutout to the early guys and gals at VANZ, Tiger and the ATR who helped set up the operation but unfortunately ended up in the same boat as everyone else not on the narrow body. They’re all deserving of an early return but unfortunately were associated with the wrong business entity and are a fair way down the pack for reemployment.

And especially to those ATR guys and girls who had a B737 position award already but either elected to stay ‘behind’ to help with T and C requirements or were ‘capped’ from moving off the fleet to take up their position. The ability to take up their position if vacancies on the 737 arose expired at the end of March 2021 ( with the later redundancy option) and here we are only 2 months....60 days later and there are now 737 vacancies.

Unbelievably consistent bad timing and luck for these pilots.

A bit of perspective on both sides is required here. To those 737 pilots who have kept their jobs in VA - some appreciation of just what it feels like to receive that redundancy letter and not having another flying job for x amount of months would go a long way. To the WB guys on the first few pages - you cant just waltz into a base of your choice at the expense of pilots already on the fleet, be happy that you are able to get a job back in VA within 12 months.

The only way pilots will be able to keep the bastard VA management in line is for all to abide by the established policies and EBA provisions. You can be sure Bain will try and water those down to the maximum in the future.

The only "fair" system is a in-line strict seniority system. Unfortunately with 5 types that is just to expensive to run. Every other alternative is just a work around and will end up screwing people over somewhere. The problem with the current arrangement is the ever shifting sands of what the actual rules are. People make career decisions on information at hand only to have it torn up a year later.

A few of my colleagues have said they will never take a widebody seat ever in their careers ahead. I work with some who had aspirations in coming years. I have asked the same question and all have no interest. Too risky. Political unrest could cause disruptions on that front at some point in the medium term. Those younger I work alongside all had the same view, they could get caught out toward the back half of their careers, in the 50s, and be forced into early retirement. Meanwhile I stuck to domestic narrowbody and will remain employed for 40 years on retirement.

Safest Job on this land, aside Tiger, is narrow body domestic. But someone’s gotta haul the big stuff around I guess.

How do these ‘100’ slot into the operation? Not having the long haul eba in front of me do they maintain their Group DOJ or back in at the bottom???

I am staggered but not surprised at the level of venom and vitriol delivered by some contributors, aimed directly at the WB pilots who lost their jobs. They were, by and large, the back bone and foundation of Virgin Blue in the early days and earned their stripes on the larger aircraft. If the shoe was on the other foot, I bet those same contributors would be belly aching the loudest about loosing their careers, incomes, self esteem and who knows what else. How about a bit of RESPECT for those who paved the way for many of those to follow only to have the rug pulled from under their feet through no fault of their own...

they don’t slot in as said. They bid (as can anyone in the company or on the inactive list) as they are additional slots. Yes they maintain their seniority / GDOJ as per all the EBAs
reemployment clauses that’s been in place for 20 years.
great to see them all back 👍🏻

Great news.

I’m hearing that the recruitment for the recently announced positions (85-90) has been put on hold as the current crews are still not at 100%

Of course existing crew need to be utilised to 100% before more crew are added to the roster but consider this:

The crew at the top of the list, first cabs off the rank will need several months to requalify to 737. Most haven''t flown it for 7-10 years so re-recruiting will need to run out months in front of utilisation of existing crew. Once existing crew get to 100% it's too late to start retraining. And there is finite sim availability.