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Ascend Charlie 7th Apr 2021 01:38


However surely a decent parade on a parade ground is not reaching too far.
But how much time will be wasted in the practice for such a parade?

You've seen the massive parades in China and North Korea, where they have a section of the army, 100,000 people whose job it is to march in such parades. We don't have those numbers. And what a huge waste of time, money and people, so that their leaders can pat themselves on the back.

Our parade was OK, the flypast was modest, but the Jockettes can't be called that any more due to the number of women flying now. And please use something a bit more impressive than the Pilatus machines. Get some jets in there and make noise that rattles your intestines. The Deltas in Mirages used to do a good job, but their turning circle hindered the display a bit.

finestkind 7th Apr 2021 23:47


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11023619)
But how much time will be wasted in the practice for such a parade?

You've seen the massive parades in China and North Korea, where they have a section of the army, 100,000 people whose job it is to march in such parades. We don't have those numbers. And what a huge waste of time, money and people, so that their leaders can pat themselves on the back.

Our parade was OK, the flypast was modest, but the Jockettes can't be called that any more due to the number of women flying now. And please use something a bit more impressive than the Pilatus machines. Get some jets in there and make noise that rattles your intestines. The Deltas in Mirages used to do a good job, but their turning circle hindered the display a bit.

Yes you are correct but contradictory.



We are not China where undoubtedly the second time you are out of step you lose your one bowl of rice for the week and the third time you are target practice. Yes it does take time and money to practice for anything. But if you are going to go down that path let’s do away with all parades or contract them out as we have done for so much, fly-past included.



Your contradictory comment on time and money for parades, but then towel the Roulettes for being a bee swarm in noise and want jets, time and money?



I guess saying if you are going to do it, do it right or not at all is probably highlighting the way we are heading. Once again we cannot cut back on pollies salaries, incidental’s super, and red wine (or helo rides) or only having events were they are center stage (imagine a numpty in the fly past or leading a parade)

Pinky the pilot 8th Apr 2021 04:47


Once again we cannot cut back on pollies salaries,
More's the pity.:*

Chronic Snoozer 8th Apr 2021 09:58


Originally Posted by rivercat (Post 11023211)
I also agree with the previous comment that yes, the RAAF used to fly fast and loose displays but we lost a lot of good aircrew along the way. Maybe that's a good thing it's in the past.

Well of course it is and I don’t think anyone is suggesting a flypast should be so unsafe as to seriously risk losing aircrew. We’ve being doing flypasts for a long time now and it is likely CASA, if any authority, that is dictating the height, size and speed of any flypast over the capital of Australia. I don’t think a little lower, a little faster and tighter is too much to ask, it’s a once in a hundred year event! Otherwise, just have the parade at Richmond while some aircraft take off and land in the background. We can risk manage the crap out of lifting a box, surely the same attention can be turned to a flypast. Having said that, perhaps the limiting factor is aircrew, you don’t just launch a four ship or a dissimilar aircraft formation at a whim to do a beat up. It takes some practice and that costs hours and money - so there’s another probable reason for the “dissatisfying” flypast.

finestkind 8th Apr 2021 11:49


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11024361)
Well of course it is and I don’t think anyone is suggesting a flypast should be so unsafe as to seriously risk losing aircrew. We’ve being doing flypasts for a long time now and it is likely CASA, if any authority, that is dictating the height, size and speed of any flypast over the capital of Australia. I don’t think a little lower, a little faster and tighter is too much to ask, it’s a once in a hundred year event! Otherwise, just have the parade at Richmond while some aircraft take off and land in the background. We can risk manage the crap out of lifting a box, surely the same attention can be turned to a flypast. Having said that, perhaps the limiting factor is aircrew, you don’t just launch a four ship or a dissimilar aircraft formation at a whim to do a beat up. It takes some practice and that costs hours and money - so there’s another probable reason for the “dissatisfying” flypast.

Admittedly there was practice for the Bi century fly-past but that was just the similar types. The actual fly-past of dissimilar types was not practiced.

Eclan 9th Apr 2021 02:17


Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 11022461)

Yes, like that, although you'd like to think the F111s would've swept the wings back and wound up the speed.
This Canberra show could've fit in the P8s, E7As, C17s and even the C130s with the fighters for even just a straight and level flypast of a couple of dozen aircraft, all capable of a stable 300kts airspeed. It would've impressed everyone but instead we got Flypast Lite. Diet Flypast. Sensitive New Age Flypast with minimal noise and no impression of the capability for applying "Force." People fell asleep between demos. You're not even allowed to get drunk in the mess anymore. Did I mention the airhead commentator?

There's another word for that flypast but you're not supposed to use it anymore.

brokenagain 9th Apr 2021 02:22

Apparently the latest directive out of the the Ivory Tower is that ‘Airmen/Airwoman’ are from now on going to be referred to as ‘Aviators’. You couldn’t make this up!

Ex FSO GRIFFO 9th Apr 2021 02:37

The "Bi - Century" Flypast....???? (#63)

I would REALLY like to see that !!


Chronic Snoozer 9th Apr 2021 02:53


Originally Posted by Eclan (Post 11024779)
instead we got Flypast Lite. Diet Flypast. Sensitive New Age Flypast with minimal noise and no impression of the capability for applying "Force."

A carbon neutral flypast?

judge.oversteer 9th Apr 2021 04:43

Bloggsie and Eclan.
How did 4 x F-111’s, 5 x Sabres and 4 x Mirages manage to fly together in 1977?
Assuming RAAF.
I am puzzled?
JO.

ramble on 9th Apr 2021 04:59

Maybe
5 x F111s
4 x A4s
5 x MIRIII0 (photo fom back of a dual MIRIIIO)

Joker89 9th Apr 2021 05:03

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...08-p57hmk.html

finger on the pulse

judge.oversteer 9th Apr 2021 05:11

Aha! The stealth A-4!
Thanks Ramble on.
JO.

Eclan 9th Apr 2021 10:20

There may even have been some Canberras in that formation just out of the photo frame as they were still around a few more years and, who knows, maybe even some fanta cans. Men were men back then, not whatever else they wanted to be, and the combined roar of all those engines would've had the same effect on them as viagra does on the sensitive types getting around today.

ruprecht 9th Apr 2021 10:29


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11024794)
A carbon neutral flypast?

“Look up, ladies and gentlemen, and witness the F-35 doing it’s best min drag flypast. Yes, magnificent! Now cast your eyes downward to witness the airmen, sorry, the aviators busily planting trees to offset the carbon emissions...”

We’d better never go to war, imagine all the trees we’d need to plant. :p

cattletruck 11th Apr 2021 02:12


Apparently the latest directive out of the the Ivory Tower is that ‘Airmen/Airwoman’ are from now on going to be referred to as ‘Aviators’. You couldn’t make this up!
The feminine form of 'Aviator' is 'Aviatrix'. I am now convinced we have the wrong people running the Australian Defence Force.

Ascend Charlie 11th Apr 2021 07:43


The feminine form of 'Aviator' is 'Aviatrix'.
But you can't use a term that defines whether a person has a d!ck or not. I recall a Dining-in Night, just after women were allowed to attend, and Mr Vice stood up and opened his speech with:
"Gentlemen,...and gentlemen without d!cks..."

601 11th Apr 2021 12:35


"Gentlemen,...and gentlemen without d!cks..."
He could have said

"Gentlemen,...and gentlemen with c0(kp!t$..."

Stationair8 12th Apr 2021 07:02

Had a laugh when the gentleman doing the commentating with Lisa Millar, mentioned that the Beech Kingairs are flown by professional pilots in the RAAF!

Are the RAAF going to hold an airshow to celebrate the 100 years, or is that deemed not PC these days?

HK144 12th Apr 2021 07:39


Originally Posted by Stationair8 (Post 11026639)
Had a laugh when the gentleman doing the commentating with Lisa Millar, mentioned that the Beech Kingairs are flown by professional pilots in the RAAF!

Are the RAAF going to hold an airshow to celebrate the 100 years, or is that deemed not PC these days?

Perhaps nothing to do with being 'PC' perhaps more to do with the ongoing uncertainty imposed by COVID.


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