Qantas domestic fleet: A320neo vs B737MAX
Apparently the 'domestic contest' which was suspended due to Covid is back on for the end of this year, AJ says now is the best time to be talking turkey with Airbus and Boeing and hammer out the best deal.
Airbus A320neo, Boeing 737 MAX battle for billion-dollar Qantas order: https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...r-qantas-order |
110 A32N won’t be going to Jetstar way too heavy. Asian affiliates are leasing their own machines also which was not part of the original plan, creating further excess. With the inability to scale specifically this long-standing French order back it’s pretty clear some will replace the NGs.
The 321 would let QF go up against Virgin’s new toy the MAX10. However I would expect a small order of MAXs at prices just too good to refuse. Perhaps 30-40 |
From a product and customer comfort standpoint the 320 is a clear winner. However Boeing will probably give the Max away at half price so everyone can keep shoehorning themselves into a 737 for another 25 years. End of the day the actual product is irrelevant in airlines, it's all about the bottom line regardless.
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If the rumours are true about how cheap MAXs are selling, then QF would be silly not to.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11009478)
However I would expect a small order of MAXs at prices just too good to refuse. Perhaps 30-40
Nothing stopping them also getting a few A321LRs, maybe convert some of the 330 crew over and fly more point to point to secondary ports in Asia like Seoul, Osaka, Shenzen? |
So is Qantas going to pay their stood down crew before or after they order new jets..? :hmm:
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 11009528)
So is Qantas going to pay their stood down crew before or after they order new jets..? :hmm:
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If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Yep, a very experienced pilot swell :-) As long as MCAS remains installed on the Max with software patches then the aircraft is always going to be at risk. I prefer the solution suggested by one of the outgoing FAA certification engineers who simply said the 'only' safe solution for the max was the total removal of the MCAS system as it was only ever installed to meet FAA certificaton with all required manoeuvres being able to be achieved without the system albeit with some slackness in the controls. Boeing also hasn't addressed the Autothrust issue which could have been addressed by simply incorporating an auto disconnect function. I hope that the recertification goes smoothly but I for one don't want to fly on one for a few years to see how it pans out and that is my choice I guess.
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Zero training costs vs the A350 steak knives.
Pretty tough to call this one. |
Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher
(Post 11009637)
Zero training costs vs the A350 steak knives.
Pretty tough to call this one. |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
Right. I’d fly a max in a heartbeat over a 10+ year old Airbus that’s been flogged out in a LCC. |
Originally Posted by Blueskymine
(Post 11009775)
Says a Jetstar pilot with a few years of HAL9000 time tucked under his belt.
Right. I’d fly a max in a heartbeat over a 10+ year old Airbus that’s been flogged out in a LCC. Give me an Airbus over the 1960's designed 737. |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11009586)
If it is the 737 max I won't be paxing on it, wonder how it will go if I refuse. The thing is just straight up dangerous.
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Qantas to operate a handful of cheap Max’s’ and Network to operate the 100+ Neos.
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This is hilarious watching the I won’t get on this or fly on that!
The MAX will surely be one of the safest aircraft and crew more than trained by the time it ends up with you strapped into it. As a passenger it is a lovely aircraft to fly on, J class seemed a lot more spread out compared to the 800, or that could be airline specific. Even Y class seemed better. That was the Silk MAX now SQ. The MAX can fly 6+ hours and Silk used it for SIN CNS direct. The A321NEO long range or whatever it’s called, has an impressive range and what is it 240 pax? I suppose if it has more lavs/ galleys less seats. Either way its chalk and cheese, way too much fuel in the tanks for my liking on a narrow body (ie it goes too far)! |
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