Originally Posted by Heatseeker
(Post 10943408)
Heard a tale once of a commercial flight just about to cross the fence and touch down. The Capt looked across to the FO and by the sad look on the FO's face reckoned the FO was having a very bad day. Thinking to make the FO happier the Capt said "cheer up" at which point the FO reached forward and retracted the undercarriage ! Of course I don't believe a word of it :-)
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Originally Posted by Heatseeker View Post Heard a tale once of a commercial flight just about to cross the fence and touch down. The Capt looked across to the FO and by the sad look on the FO's face reckoned the FO was having a very bad day. Thinking to make the FO happier the Capt said "cheer up" at which point the FO reached forward and retracted the undercarriage ! Of course I don't believe a word of it :-) |
Originally Posted by jumby164
(Post 10943404)
Word on the RAAF Grapvine is that the aircraft suffered a total nosewheel steering failure at takeoff speeds.
During a IF Takeoff in a PC-A in Pearce my student under the bag in the front seat engaged the nosewheel steering at about 58 kts trying to be smart in correcting back to the headings I was calling out. The aircraft rapidly pivoted 30deg left!.... I took control jumped on the brakes and and left two large black tire marks across 1/4 of the runway width as we departed the runway to the left, taking out an edge light on the way. I jumped a ditch and came to stop on the grass and then safed the ejection seats before shutting down. The PC9 seat was a 60/200 bang seat not a 0/0 rocket seat, if we were sitting on rockets seats would probably have pulled the handle for the both of us. When we went back and walked over the tracks, could clearly see the big black tire marks across the runway and the dirt tracks in the grass, we skidded sideways between two concrete blocks before jumping the ditch (aprox 35kts with full backstick) and stopping. Looking at the satellite view of 36R at YPEA and the gap between the concrete blocks of the arrestor cable system still makes me shiver. |
Originally Posted by speed2height
(Post 10944783)
The PC9 seat was a 60/200 bang seat not a 0/0 rocket seat, if we were sitting on rockets seats would probably have pulled the handle for the both of us.
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Originally Posted by Slezy9
(Post 10944848)
Hmmm, few minor errors there. The PC9 had a 0/60 seat. Ground level, no downward vector and wings level. Minimum 60 knots. You could have pulled the handle but you’d have left the student behind. The command ejection system in the PC9 only worked from the back seat and as a QFI on an IF takeoff you would have been in the front seat.
[edit] I just remembered where I got the 200ft from, it was a presentation on the MK11 seat Martin Baker gave at Pearce, it was a 0/60 seat but inverted it was a 200/60 seat :) |
Slezy9 - Speed2height may have got the exact deets slightly wrong - but the event itself was true to form. I was his flight commander. S2H was a rotor head in a past life so these event were not unexpected.
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Originally Posted by speed2height
(Post 10944783)
...my student under the bag in the front seat engaged the nosewheel steering at about 58 kts trying to be smart in correcting back to the headings I was calling out...
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 10944969)
Did he pass the course and get his wings, or did he wash out?
If I remember correctly (which is now debatable) he was a prior CPL holder that did well through GFPT and struggled on IF and washed out. I understand the F18 requires its nosewheel steering rate set to low after taxing and failing to do so was the cause of a runway excursion across the arrestor blocks many years ago in Williamtown |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10942832)
If they're quick, they can slip it into an Antonov and flog it to the Canucks.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f18...alia-1.5836504 |
Originally Posted by cossack
(Post 10945120)
We've only got 3 of the first batch of 7 "integrated". Deliveries of the remaining 14 to come. New canopy, seats and clean up the soot and she'll be right. ;)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f18...alia-1.5836504 I wanted to throw a blanket over her! |
Originally Posted by speed2height
(Post 10944999)
If I remember correctly (which is now debatable) he was a prior CPL holder that did well through GFPT and struggled on IF and washed out. I understand the F18 requires its nosewheel steering rate set to low after taxing and failing to do so was the cause of a runway excursion across the arrestor blocks many years ago in Williamtown |
Any further insight into what happened here? All gone quiet...
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I’d also like to know what caused the decision to eject. I’m sure that it was a sound judgment but was there a change in procedures following the Growler engine fire in Las Vegas.
Would also like to know if the jet has been repaired. |
I’m sure that it was a sound judgment |
Redacted report from Defence
Obtained by Senator Rex Patrick; reported on ABC web site
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ject/101131502 Primary cause was ”substandard adherence to checklist actions” Thought the report on following sequence of events may be of interest. |
"Upon noticing the heading deviation, it is likely the pilot suffered an acute stress response followed by a short duration of impaired cognitive performance," the report states. |
Is the Hornet so incapable of flying with the trim out-of-position that he was more worried about dealing with it, rather than simply taking the jet airborne and retrimming it in the air? OR is there more to it than just being out of trim?
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