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keewee 10th Dec 2020 11:50


Originally Posted by Heatseeker (Post 10943408)
Heard a tale once of a commercial flight just about to cross the fence and touch down. The Capt looked across to the FO and by the sad look on the FO's face reckoned the FO was having a very bad day. Thinking to make the FO happier the Capt said "cheer up" at which point the FO reached forward and retracted the undercarriage ! Of course I don't believe a word of it :-)

Lessons learned! Sitting at a road t-intersection navigating my aunt; clear road, called GO & ... we sat there. 'I thought you said WO'. Better safe than sorry. Changed calls to Proceed & Hold.

A. Muse 10th Dec 2020 17:00


Originally Posted by Heatseeker View Post
Heard a tale once of a commercial flight just about to cross the fence and touch down. The Capt looked across to the FO and by the sad look on the FO's face reckoned the FO was having a very bad day. Thinking to make the FO happier the Capt said "cheer up" at which point the FO reached forward and retracted the undercarriage ! Of course I don't believe a word of it :-)
I heard the same tale told on BBC Radio Essex when a manager from London Stansted was interviewed. His story was that it happened at his airport and that the aircraft was on take off when the PF turned to the FE and said 'Cheer up'.

speed2height 11th Dec 2020 06:16


Originally Posted by jumby164 (Post 10943404)
Word on the RAAF Grapvine is that the aircraft suffered a total nosewheel steering failure at takeoff speeds.

I wouldn't want to be using nosewheel steering at takeoff speed anyhow!

During a IF Takeoff in a PC-A in Pearce my student under the bag in the front seat engaged the nosewheel steering at about 58 kts trying to be smart in correcting back to the headings I was calling out. The aircraft rapidly pivoted 30deg left!.... I took control jumped on the brakes and and left two large black tire marks across 1/4 of the runway width as we departed the runway to the left, taking out an edge light on the way. I jumped a ditch and came to stop on the grass and then safed the ejection seats before shutting down. The PC9 seat was a 60/200 bang seat not a 0/0 rocket seat, if we were sitting on rockets seats would probably have pulled the handle for the both of us.

When we went back and walked over the tracks, could clearly see the big black tire marks across the runway and the dirt tracks in the grass, we skidded sideways between two concrete blocks before jumping the ditch (aprox 35kts with full backstick) and stopping.
Looking at the satellite view of 36R at YPEA and the gap between the concrete blocks of the arrestor cable system still makes me shiver.

Slezy9 11th Dec 2020 08:20


Originally Posted by speed2height (Post 10944783)
The PC9 seat was a 60/200 bang seat not a 0/0 rocket seat, if we were sitting on rockets seats would probably have pulled the handle for the both of us.

Hmmm, few minor errors there. The PC9 had a 0/60 seat. Ground level, no downward vector and wings level. Minimum 60 knots. You could have pulled the handle but you’d have left the student behind. The command ejection system in the PC9 only worked from the back seat and as a QFI on an IF takeoff you would have been in the front seat.

speed2height 11th Dec 2020 08:34


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10944848)
Hmmm, few minor errors there. The PC9 had a 0/60 seat. Ground level, no downward vector and wings level. Minimum 60 knots. You could have pulled the handle but you’d have left the student behind. The command ejection system in the PC9 only worked from the back seat and as a QFI on an IF takeoff you would have been in the front seat.

Fair enough, it was 25 years ago :) 60kts was the min speed (I guess I said 200ft because that was my cutoff height to arrest a rate of descent before ejection with an engine out) and yep I was in the front seat. Isn't that strange, I guess I spent so much time in the rear seat teaching I just assumed that's where I was sitting.

[edit] I just remembered where I got the 200ft from, it was a presentation on the MK11 seat Martin Baker gave at Pearce, it was a 0/60 seat but inverted it was a 200/60 seat :)

Capn Rex Havoc 11th Dec 2020 11:28

Slezy9 - Speed2height may have got the exact deets slightly wrong - but the event itself was true to form. I was his flight commander. S2H was a rotor head in a past life so these event were not unexpected.

gulliBell 11th Dec 2020 11:32


Originally Posted by speed2height (Post 10944783)
...my student under the bag in the front seat engaged the nosewheel steering at about 58 kts trying to be smart in correcting back to the headings I was calling out...

Did he pass the course and get his wings, or did he wash out?

speed2height 11th Dec 2020 12:19


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10944969)
Did he pass the course and get his wings, or did he wash out?

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​​​​​​If I remember correctly (which is now debatable) he was a prior CPL holder that did well through GFPT and struggled on IF and washed out.

I understand the F18 requires its nosewheel steering rate set to low after taxing and failing to do so was the cause of a runway excursion across the arrestor blocks many years ago in Williamtown

cossack 11th Dec 2020 15:37


Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was (Post 10942832)
If they're quick, they can slip it into an Antonov and flog it to the Canucks.

We've only got 3 of the first batch of 7 "integrated". Deliveries of the remaining 14 to come. New canopy, seats and clean up the soot and she'll be right. ;)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f18...alia-1.5836504

Wingspar 11th Dec 2020 21:15


Originally Posted by cossack (Post 10945120)
We've only got 3 of the first batch of 7 "integrated". Deliveries of the remaining 14 to come. New canopy, seats and clean up the soot and she'll be right. ;)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f18...alia-1.5836504

I feel sorry for 53.
I wanted to throw a blanket over her!

I wish 14th Dec 2020 09:02


Originally Posted by speed2height (Post 10944999)
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​​​​​​If I remember correctly (which is now debatable) he was a prior CPL holder that did well through GFPT and struggled on IF and washed out.

I understand the F18 requires its nosewheel steering rate set to low after taxing and failing to do so was the cause of a runway excursion across the arrestor blocks many years ago in Williamtown

Was that the 2016 one?

josephfeatherweight 18th Mar 2021 22:36

Any further insight into what happened here? All gone quiet...

Going Boeing 21st Mar 2021 00:12

I’d also like to know what caused the decision to eject. I’m sure that it was a sound judgment but was there a change in procedures following the Growler engine fire in Las Vegas.

Would also like to know if the jet has been repaired.

josephfeatherweight 21st Mar 2021 22:38


I’m sure that it was a sound judgment
I'm not so sure about that, hence my interest! :}

layman 7th Jun 2022 22:07

Redacted report from Defence
 
Obtained by Senator Rex Patrick; reported on ABC web site

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ject/101131502

Primary cause was ”substandard adherence to checklist actions”

Thought the report on following sequence of events may be of interest.

Ascend Charlie 8th Jun 2022 01:29


"Upon noticing the heading deviation, it is likely the pilot suffered an acute stress response followed by a short duration of impaired cognitive performance," the report states.
Translation: He shat himself.

KRviator 8th Jun 2022 06:54

Is the Hornet so incapable of flying with the trim out-of-position that he was more worried about dealing with it, rather than simply taking the jet airborne and retrimming it in the air? OR is there more to it than just being out of trim?


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