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Grogmonster 12th Nov 2020 02:32

PC12 NG Down off California
 
I heard a rumor that a new PC12 went in 1100nm off the Californian coast en-route to Hilo yesterday. Apparently 2 POB. Both rescued after a night in the raft. Anyone know what actually happened?

Groggy

Car RAMROD 12th Nov 2020 02:49

Not a rumour, it happened.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/244731

Supposedly some of the rescue video-


Now for the rumour part; issue with the fuel
supply from the ferry tank.

Sir HC 12th Nov 2020 04:12

It was headed to Australia? Any idea who owned it?

KeyPilot 12th Nov 2020 08:27

Great video, anyone know from which USCG a/c type this was shot?

Well done all - PC12 crew for executing a survivable ditching; USCG for their typical calm professionalism; and merchant vessel crew for their tenacity in preserving life! :ok:

Going Nowhere 12th Nov 2020 09:47


Originally Posted by Car RAMROD (Post 10924565)
Not a rumour, it happened.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/244731

Supposedly some of the rescue video- https://youtu.be/dqDoUzZODdQ


Now for the rumour part; issue with the fuel
supply from the ferry tank.

It looks like it tried to depart a few days earlier but returned.

Capn Bloggs 12th Nov 2020 09:52


It looks like it tried to depart a few days earlier but returned.
"Going Nowhere". How apt! :{

Going Nowhere 12th Nov 2020 10:36


Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 10924763)
"Going Nowhere". How apt! :{

Well it went somewhere... 🤷‍♂️

LGW Vulture 12th Nov 2020 15:04

Dion Weisler's aircraft.

blubak 12th Nov 2020 18:36


Originally Posted by KeyPilot (Post 10924697)
Great video, anyone know from which USCG a/c type this was shot?

Well done all - PC12 crew for executing a survivable ditching; USCG for their typical calm professionalism; and merchant vessel crew for their tenacity in preserving life! :ok:

Unbelievable dedication & communication by both rescue parties,these guys need to be acknowledged & their efforts highlighted right across the globe.

KeyPilot 13th Nov 2020 06:01


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10925129)
Unbelievable dedication & communication by both rescue parties,these guys need to be acknowledged & their efforts highlighted right across the globe.

Yes, the teamwork and indeed brotherhood between aviators and mariners is fantastic to see. Many aviators owe their lives to mariners, many mariners owe their lives to aviators. This is a heart-warming illustration of how, thanks to preparation & coolheadedness on the part of the PC-12 pilots, and the professionalism and dedication of the rescuers, an otherwise dire circumstance (ditching 1000nm from dry land) has a happy outcome.

I saw on another forum that over-flying airliners played a significant role in this great effort.

As for the loss of a $5m aeroplane - that's what insurance is for! Pilatus can build another PC-12 - they can't build another husband/father/brother/son/...

The Banjo 13th Nov 2020 06:52

The problem arises when an aviator turns into an unwilling mariner as in this case!

B772 22nd Nov 2020 08:33

There is no guarantee insurance will payout if the fuel system was sus. I suspect the provider of the fuel system will be sued.

atakacs 22nd Nov 2020 08:52

Brand new aircraft...
​​​​​​Any idea how deep the ocean is around there (not sure where to check)? It might be difficult to get to the wreckage (if at all possible).
As others have pointed out good job by all involved!

zac21 22nd Nov 2020 09:15

There must be a preliminary accident report made by now, maybe FAA ?

B2N2 22nd Nov 2020 16:57

Why are sketchy ferry operators first on my mind?
There’s probably more to this story.
  • Who installed the tank and was this person qualified to do so?
  • Was a test flight performed to test the system.
  • Did they continue till it was out of fuel or did they discover the problem early and diligently worked to communicate and do a controlled ditching close to shipping routes?
Surviving a pilot induced accident is not good “airmanship”.
Thats why I’d be interested in the whole story which we’ll probably never hear.
I’m thinking that the Honolulu FSDO has jurisdiction.
As far as insurance, as underwriter I’d be interested in the above also.

Pilatus website shows 1800NM range with 4 pax and IFR reserves.
We’ll call that even with 2 crew and gear.
Thats at FL300 though.
https://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/en/fly/pc-12
This time of year the winds are truly HOWLING at altitude, jetstream from West to East.
At FL300 you’d probably have a ground speed of 100kts if you pick the wrong day.
Distance to fly was give or take 2500NM.
Thats 4 hrs extra fuel required.
Did they have a Point of no Return calculated?
As in the ferry tank needs to work by this point or we’re going back?
You should start transfer as soon as there’s room in the Main tanks.
Keep them full so you keep your 1800 airmiles range.

zac21 22nd Nov 2020 18:06

Looking at Flightaware the same A/C performed a flight to Hilo on the 1/11/20, and again on the 2/11/20, but diverted from Santa Maria to Hilo ?
As B2N2 says, there is more to this one.

Kulwin Park 28th Nov 2020 05:40

If it was brand new as mentioned above, why is it in USA?

Are USA assembling new PC12's?

zac21 28th Nov 2020 05:56

Pilatus completions centre USA
 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sXKFMDFusrJYUt

B2N2 30th Nov 2020 05:48

Any further info on the ditching?

atakacs 30th Nov 2020 06:36


Originally Posted by zac21 (Post 10936125)

Bit of a thread drift but are the actually flying the "bare" aircraft in for completion ? That's about 1 ferry flight / week assuming the 55 production number they are aiming at...

Also is it really much more economical to ferry the (completed) aircraft from US to Australia vs from Europe ?


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