united plans on re-opening over 25 international routes
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I think you need to read the complete article.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10850611)
I think you need to read the complete article.
UK is open to something like 70+ countries. No stupid restrictions or silly quarantine. It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path. You can't close down a state everytime you get a few cases. Cases don't mean deaths, except in vulnerable. All this govt support, just creates more welfare dependency. You can see it now. Many sitting on jobkeeper, with a cash gig on side doing better than when working. Madness. & what does NZ do when they get 1 case ? Might never ever be any vaccine & can never ever eradicate Corona, we might just have to live with it & find some drugs that help, just like with HIV/AIDS. Adapt - use condoms. Like after 11 Sep 2001, we adapted. Increased security at airports etc. |
Originally Posted by BNEA320
(Post 10850615)
It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path.
& what does NZ do when they get 1 case ? When NZ gets a new case we send it to SYD or in the most recent case, both of them. I really should stop feeding the troll shouldn't I. |
46000 deaths in the UK so far ( nearly including the PM)... yep they have got it all worked out.
And BNE.. the bit in the article I was referring to is the little fact that the flights are dependant on borders being open. If you think that Australia will be open to the world by September ..., 😂😂😂 |
Originally Posted by BNEA320
(Post 10850615)
I did. What are you referring to ?
UK is open to something like 70+ countries. No stupid restrictions or silly quarantine. It's about time our govts including NZ, realise they've gone down wrong path. You can't close down a state everytime you get a few cases. Cases don't mean deaths, except in vulnerable. All this govt support, just creates more welfare dependency. You can see it now. Many sitting on jobkeeper, with a cash gig on side doing better than when working. Madness. & what does NZ do when they get 1 case ? Might never ever be any vaccine & can never ever eradicate Corona, we might just have to live with it & find some drugs that help, just like with HIV/AIDS. Adapt - use condoms. Like after 11 Sep 2001, we adapted. Increased security at airports etc. |
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak. This means you get your wish, are you happy Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks. Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate. Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply. Expect water supply interruptions We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it. |
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10850635)
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak. This means you get your wish, are you happy Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks. Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate. Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply. Expect water supply interruptions You must work for the media running that sort of fear campaign :rolleyes: |
I guess time will tell, goodluck
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Originally Posted by currawong
(Post 10850630)
Has it occurred to you that closing our borders is part of that adaption?
Remember, we can't eliminate the virus. |
Thanks TL
couldnt agree more wow |
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10850635)
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak. This means you get your wish, are you happy Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks. Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate. Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply. Expect water supply interruptions We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it. SA totally dependant on VIC for power? Where did you hear that? May have been the case a few years ago; however, certainly not now. As for containment breach for NSW, QLD and SA - already happened in NSW and QLD read the news? What makes you think there will be a breach in SA? The borders are closed even for returning South Australians. As for water supply issues - you have got to be kidding. Do you write for the News group of papers? |
Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks. Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate. Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply. Expect water supply interruptions We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it. |
The purpose of the post was to see who BNE and his buddies are. The same bored call centre employees with nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap and poo poo anything that's not made in china. Your'e blown,
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10850690)
The same bored call centre employees with nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap and poo poo anything that's not made in china. Your'e blown,
I was one of those call centre employees "getting travellers ready to take off" or whatever inanity John Lonergan thought of that day. I can tell you I was seldom bored on night shift and didn't feel the need to spread crap or say "Pilots wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for me and my very hard working colleagues" |
nothing better to do than frequent the social media boards and spruik crap |
Another well thought out post by A320!
Brilliant and so informative (as always)! |
Originally Posted by Double_Clutch
(Post 10850759)
Another well thought out post by A320!
Brilliant and so informative (as always)! |
T_L,
you're implying Covid19 is the catalyst for power cuts, we're not having power cuts in the UK because it's maxing at 23c at the moment, not >27C. We don't have the seasonal demand in hot weather that A/C creates, yet. Water shortages aren't exactly a new problem in Oz but you have to bite the bullet and accept that desal is the way to go,albeit at greater cost; or you can do rain dances all night long hoping that global warming is just a fad. 46k deaths and still rising in UK and 2nd wave definitely starting in Europe; Until folk start taking lockdown's seriously it's not going away - the only thing that will reset the whole equation is a vaccine, UK PLC and most of Europe can afford to fund a population wide vaccination program, Africa, Asia? That's a different question entirely, especially as the WHO is already woefully underfunded. Against this background, can't see any normalisation in the near future. |
ex 'Quoted' BNE article: United Plans on Re-Opening Over 25 International Routes..
Extract (Bolding):
The bold move is predicated on these nations opening up borders to travelers from the United States, despite the increase in COVID-19 cases. According to Johns Hopkins University & Medicine, the United States has over 4.4 million confirmed cases of the novel Coronavirus, with over 152,000 deaths. With The Bahamas and the European Union closing borders to American customers, United’s entire strategy bets that flyers and international policy will be ready for travel abroad in two months. Good-Luck!!!!, with That.......... WOW, again. rgds S28 |
Disregard, finger trouble
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So .. the USA is now reporting 1000 deaths a day from Covid. Yep.. I can see it now. Thousands of Australians wanting to fly to the US!!
And by the way BNE.. it appears that Victoria is about to go into complete lock down as of Wednesday. Perhaps one of the things we will have to adapt to is that Travel Agents ( like your family owned corner service station) are now a thing of the past. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10850920)
Perhaps one of the things we will have to adapt to is that Travel Agents ( like your family owned corner service station) are now a thing of the past.
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No idea on pax numbers between the US and Australia but perhaps the freight is lucrative enough to justify the trip? I saw Delta still does a daily LAX-SYD and plans to continue, gotta be something in it for the US airlines.
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Originally Posted by LostWanderer
(Post 10851188)
No idea on pax numbers between the US and Australia but perhaps the freight is lucrative enough to justify the trip? I saw Delta still does a daily LAX-SYD and plans to continue, gotta be something in it for the US airlines.
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Freighter are 'reportedly' largely subsidising the SFO-SYD (UA) and LAX-SYD (DL) flights according to the MSM. Any passengers (mostly repatriation in both directions) would be a bonus for those carriers.
Perhaps TT738 also known as BNEA320 should be a car/truck salesman. It's a quick adaption from being in the Travel Agency business. |
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 10851210)
Apparently you can make money flying just belly freight in a 777. As far as passengers go...hmmm. While there is cautious optimism about a vaccine sometime in early 2021, the US has just stripped 32 million unemployed of any income support. I wonder how it plays out if that lasts more than a few days?
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Nice to see the Australian Government supporting all those foreign airlines :cool:
https://www.austrade.gov.au/ArticleD...edule.pdf.aspx |
Originally Posted by TerryCherry
(Post 10851680)
Oz and NZ wasting time. They wont stop this virus. They need to allow it to spread so some healthy people get herd immunity. The last 4 months have been wasted as they are essentially starting from 0 now.
What you really mean is that we need to kill off about 300,000 people so that you won’t be inconvenienced. Which makes you reprehensible. |
Originally Posted by TerryCherry
(Post 10851680)
Oz and NZ wasting time. They wont stop this virus. They need to allow it to spread so some healthy people get herd immunity. The last 4 months have been wasted as they are essentially starting from 0 now.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 10851854)
...And the Dr. Josef Mengele prize in amateur epidemiology goes to...
What you really mean is that we need to kill off about 300,000 people so that you won’t be inconvenienced. Which makes you reprehensible. ...And the Donald Trump hyperbolic exaggeration prize goes to.... I see you've been using those highly accurate UCol London CFR models to boost your otherwise correct assertion that herd immunity aint going to fly. |
Originally Posted by RubberDogPoop
(Post 10851920)
...And the Donald Trump hyperbolic exaggeration prize goes to....
I see you've been using those highly accurate UCol London CFR models to boost your otherwise correct assertion that herd immunity aint going to fly. On a less hyperbolic note: There still is a lot of noise in the data with CFR and IFR getting jumbled. Apparently IFR isn’t typically known until a widespread serological study is done after a disease outbreak and statistical tools employed. The increased testing is starting to dilute the numbers somewhat over a classic CFR value owing to the inclusion of cases that otherwise would never be in the data. The US numbers seem to be around 3-4% of the reported cases with an important caveat. Birx said yesterday that the testing is showing infections earlier than was the case waiting for clinical signs, thus stretching the timeline from detection to death and skewing the data. The Americans are predicting the daily toll to increase profoundly from their already sobering 1100 daily average. So yeah, 300,000 dead would be a reasonable expectation if half of the country got Covid19 which, btw, is in the range required for the vaunted herd immunity value. But forget the exactitude of the number prediction. Just characterise it as a f**k of a lot. |
Crude fatality rate worldwide last I checked was about 0.4%..considering the large number who are asymptomatic there is most likely huge numbers of undiagnosed. At current worst case scenarios over the entire population of NZ and Aus 120000 deaths would be the ceiling not 300000
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Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 10852000)
Crude fatality rate worldwide last I checked was about 0.4%..considering the large number who are asymptomatic there is most likely huge numbers of undiagnosed. At current worst case scenarios over the entire population of NZ and Aus 120000 deaths would be the ceiling not 300000
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Ok, while we are killing people willy-nilly in this thought experiment, can someone quantify the percentage of infections which result in lifelong disability? Or even chronic quality-of-life issues? I'd hate for 99.6% of the population to escape without some memento.
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10850635)
BNE: what's it going to take before you understand the gravity of the situation.
Victoria has fallen, 50 cases of unknown origin is deeply concerning means, untraceable impossible to contain, short of a total lockdown, expect a mass outbreak. This means you get your wish, are you happy Expect containment breach for NSW QLD and SA in the next few weeks. Victoria's hospitals most likely will collapse within a month, no more help is coming from interstate. Expect rolling power outages within weeks, particularly SA almost totally dependant on VIC for power supply. Expect water supply interruptions We have enough diesel in the country to last 3 weeks, then we'll be using Jet A1 since you won't be needing it. |
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 10851998)
So yeah, 300,000 dead would be a reasonable expectation if half of the country got Covid19 which, btw, is in the range required for the vaunted herd immunity value. But forget the exactitude of the number prediction.
And that does not mean that some 40% plus of the population needs to get covid 19. Just that some 40% plus need to have have immunity of some sort. And that there is a lot of immune people without them having had the infection has been established. |
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 10852038)
Ok, while we are killing people willy-nilly in this thought experiment, can someone quantify the percentage of infections which result in lifelong disability? Or even chronic quality-of-life issues? I'd hate for 99.6% of the population to escape without some memento.
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn) |
Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 10852601)
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn)
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Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 10852601)
there is absolutely no current quantifiable data on long term effects of covid19. Everything you read or see at this point is anecdotal (and therefore falls squarely into the category of panic porn)
Maybe, you simply aren't reading the right papers? |
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