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KRUSTY 34 12th Mar 2024 08:18


Originally Posted by BagoRatz (Post 11613736)
Craig Martin of CASA surveillance fame

AH, Thinking of someone else. May have been the previous NJS COO/CEO? from a few months back?

Rumour (yes it is a rumour network) was that he "retired" the day his appointment was announced. Just what I've heard.

BagoRatz 12th Mar 2024 23:27


Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 (Post 11613859)
AH, Thinking of someone else. May have been the previous NJS COO/CEO? from a few months back?

Rumour (yes it is a rumour network) was that he "retired" the day his appointment was announced. Just what I've heard.

Ah yes, that would have been Chris Hine. CM took over late December and was gone by early March.

DanV2 13th Mar 2024 11:16

REX making a habit of picking up former major (or minor) VA partners for their 'interlines'. DL and now EY.

I wonder if Hainan (HU) will be the next carrier to follow DL and EY to REX for secondary Australia-China interlines considering their route network is from secondary Chinese cities.

https://www.rex.com.au/BlobViewer/Bl...63694453513D3D

MickG0105 13th Mar 2024 12:13


Originally Posted by DanV2 (Post 11614750)
REX making a habit of picking up former major (or minor) VA partners for their 'interlines'. DL and now EY.

I wonder if Hainan (HU) will be the next carrier to follow DL and EY to REX for secondary Australia-China interlines considering their route network is from secondary Chinese cities.

https://www.rex.com.au/BlobViewer/Bl...63694453513D3D

Etihad still have their partnership relationship with VA; that arrangement is at least one rung up the ladder in terms of commercial significance compared to a simple interline agreement.

DanV2 13th Mar 2024 12:22


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11614815)
Etihad still have their partnership relationship with VA; that arrangement is at least one rung up the ladder in terms of commercial significance compared to a simple interline agreement.

Largely a one-way codeshare with EY code-sharing on VA domestic services though, the other way VA had largely replaced EY with QR codeshares via DOH going outbound. Demoting EY to a "minor" partner of VA, which is barely above interline but below the "major partner" tier of Velocity.

MickG0105 13th Mar 2024 13:00


Originally Posted by DanV2 (Post 11614821)
Largely a one-way codeshare with EY code-sharing on VA domestic services though, the other way VA had largely replaced EY with QR codeshares via DOH going outbound. Demoting EY to a "minor" partner of VA, which is barely above interline but below the "major partner" tier of Velocity.

I don't know if I'd call EY a "minor" Velocity partner; I'm pretty sure that the EY points arrangement with Velocity is a bit better than the QR deal.

In any event, how does that EY-VA relationship compare to the EY-ZL interline arrangement? How much EY traffic do you think Rex are going to pick up?

Deano969 14th Mar 2024 01:07


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11614850)
I don't know if I'd call EY a "minor" Velocity partner; I'm pretty sure that the EY points arrangement with Velocity is a bit better than the QR deal.

In any event, how does that EY-VA relationship compare to the EY-ZL interline arrangement? How much EY traffic do you think Rex are going to pick up?

One would think very little

43Inches 14th Mar 2024 02:14

I think what it shows is EY hedging it's bets, they see ZL getting to a level they can sustain some on-carriage if it continues. There's nothing solid in the Australian domestic market apart from QF group. Everyone else is about who will survive in the long run. The vibes coming out of VA are not rosy, but we have little idea of the reality due to the books being private and not knowing Bains end game. ZL we have more an idea, which is not rosy either, but there's still the unknown of how far PAG will go there. Might as well get some agreements lodged with both so if either goes under they have the other to feed off.

regional_flyer 14th Mar 2024 04:17


Originally Posted by BagoRatz (Post 11614458)
CM took over late December and was gone by early March.

Did he refuse to sign up to the company Telegram or something? :cool:

KRUSTY 34 14th Mar 2024 05:48


Originally Posted by BagoRatz (Post 11614458)
Ah yes, that would have been Chris Hine. CM took over late December and was gone by early March.

Do we see coincidence, or a pattern?

BagoRatz 14th Mar 2024 22:12


Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 (Post 11615377)
Do we see coincidence, or a pattern?

Hard to say, certainly not good optics for the remaining staff - the announcement was sent out on a Saturday evening!

Ken Borough 20th Mar 2024 07:42

This is brilliant!

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advo...mummys-lungry/

MickG0105 20th Mar 2024 07:59


Originally Posted by Ken Borough (Post 11619709)

The description of the "lounge" is pretty much bang on.

C441 26th Mar 2024 08:00

Another sample of one….
BNE-SYD 25th March.

QF chocker on 7 of the last 8 afternoon/evening flights. Business and economy oversold on a couple of flights - it's rare for that to be displayed on the staff travel website.

Booked the 5:00pm Rex for $169 at 3:00pm - $106 more than the one-way QF Staff seat so a very reasonable fare at short notice. Virgin was "from" $195 for a later flight.
Rex Business had 4 vacant seats and about two thirds (2/3) full in economy.
Service was fine although even though in row 4, I was 'reminded' that the forward toilet is for Business Class but female pax around me were welcomed to use the front loo when they ventured past the cabin divider later in the flight. I had no problem with that and found it somewhat amusing. Maybe experience suggests that economy blokes make more of a mess of the Business dunny! :)

I was offered an exit row seat just prior to boarding for the second time on a Rex flight. On this occasion I was happy in row 4 but it seems Rex pax aren't really prepared to pay for that honour…..well on both of my journeys with them.

MickG0105 27th Mar 2024 10:04

A fun day out for those looking to get an early start to their Easter hols on the Golden Coast!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5ef607dd21.jpg

1A_Please 28th Mar 2024 00:10


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11624464)
A fun day out for those looking to get an early start to their Easter hols on the Golden Coast!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5ef607dd21.jpg

The wacky way we measure OTP performance in Australia means this is assessed exactly the same way as a plane that leaves the gate 20 minutes late but manages to arrive pretty much on schedule.

MickG0105 28th Mar 2024 00:40


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11624914)
The wacky way we measure OTP performance in Australia means this is assessed exactly the same way as a plane that leaves the gate 20 minutes late but manages to arrive pretty much on schedule.

I was thinking pretty much the same; this one, and the return to MEL which was also delayed by 10 hours, get chalked up the same way as a flight that arrives 15 minutes late. In a similar vein, the cancellation of a once-a-day service, where pax are displaced by 24 hours, is indistinguishable from a cancellation where all pax are rebooked within a few hours.

Deano969 28th Mar 2024 01:34

Like QF/JQ and VA haven't had similar delays....
Then why the delay, ATC, weather, tech ....
Are turnback's counted as delays or cancelations, if cancelations, what is the delay for each passenger as they get shunted onto later flights, often next day
If 50 pax on a flight from SYD-MEL that is cancelled by QF/JQ or VA are bumped over to fill empty seats on the next 3 flights, this should count as 1 cancelation + 3 delayed

Just sayin

shortshortz 28th Mar 2024 02:30


Originally Posted by Deano969 (Post 11624942)
Like QF/JQ and VA haven't had similar delays....
Then why the delay, ATC, weather, tech ....
Are turnback's counted as delays or cancelations, if cancelations, what is the delay for each passenger as they get shunted onto later flights, often next day
If 50 pax on a flight from SYD-MEL that is cancelled by QF/JQ or VA are bumped over to fill empty seats on the next 3 flights, this should count as 1 cancelation + 3 delayed

Just sayin

No. That would be one cancellation. The others are not delayed.
A cancellation for Bonza is a return of airfare cost. A cancellation for QF is typically a three hour delay (but you get to your destination).
This also skewed against larger carriers.

Just saying

TimmyTee 28th Mar 2024 02:42


Originally Posted by Deano969 (Post 11624942)
Like QF/JQ and VA haven't had similar delays....
Then why the delay, ATC, weather, tech ....
Are turnback's counted as delays or cancelations, if cancelations, what is the delay for each passenger as they get shunted onto later flights, often next day
If 50 pax on a flight from SYD-MEL that is cancelled by QF/JQ or VA are bumped over to fill empty seats on the next 3 flights, this should count as 1 cancelation + 3 delayed

Just sayin

Utter nonsense.

Deano969 28th Mar 2024 02:57

So why split hairs over a 30 minute delay verses a 12 hour delay then ?

Seriously 28th Mar 2024 03:16

QF/JQ/VA would have canceled the flight instead of being 10+ hours delayed. Whereas Rex will just delay it half a day to avoid cancelling it. That way they can carry on in the media about being the most reliable…

Arnold E 13th Apr 2024 01:20

I see a mass exodus of experienced engineers from the Adelaide base and with more to go, apparently. management not concerned ???

marreeman 13th Apr 2024 07:04

Apprentices are cheaper, Saabs also being parted out never to fly again. Saab captains already doing 2-3 weeks out of base now given mandatory temporary transfers.
Saab operations paying for all ground crew 20+, ground equipment, parking etc to cover jet, pelair and nje.
It’s the beginning of the end for the Saab operation. I feel for these guys, management should be ashamed of themselves.

Arnold E 13th Apr 2024 11:20

You may be right that apprentices are cheaper than LAME's, however they cant sign aircraft out. I agree that it looks like the Saab operation is in is dying throws,
however of the guys that recently left 3 of them have 737 licenses, the others soon to go I dont know but they are experienced guys, I dont understand how
you can lose long term employees like that and not be bothered.

43Inches 14th Apr 2024 00:12


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 11634644)
You may be right that apprentices are cheaper than LAME's, however they cant sign aircraft out. I agree that it looks like the Saab operation is in is dying throws,
however of the guys that recently left 3 of them have 737 licenses, the others soon to go I dont know but they are experienced guys, I dont understand how
you can lose long term employees like that and not be bothered.

Stubborn 1950s style management is how this happens. Darwinism at it's best, change with the times or be consigned to history. If you can't adapt to the new world that aviation is moving into, that is no more flood of young enthusiastic aviation employees, then you will have no staff, especially flight crew and engineers. Not many want to do jobs where you have to commute to a place, spend time away from home, etc etc, unless it pays well and has plenty of time off, both of which Rex is failing at miserably and whats more getting worse.

marreeman 14th Apr 2024 07:03

The apprentices are cheaper, was tongue in cheek comment.

Arnold E 16th Apr 2024 01:33

Woops,
another key bloke gone, they are bleeding people now, still nobody concerned apparently

KRUSTY 34 17th Apr 2024 07:01

Just wondering how PAG and the $150M kitty is going?

Asking for a friend.

MickG0105 17th Apr 2024 07:09


Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 (Post 11637129)
Just wondering how PAG and the $150M kitty is going?

Asking for a friend.

Should be $30 million left undrawn.

Given their H1 performance and their domestic jet numbers so far this half, they can't be too far off making a reasonably significant draw down.

autopilot11 17th Apr 2024 09:44

What about 54 million in tax payers dollars was granted to Rex in 2020 has been put to use by building a hangar and recently opened 737 sim. How much of that is funding the jet operation

markis10 18th Apr 2024 06:50

Rex dropped a big sale including discount during the school holidays, sounds like a cash grab, didn’t Bonza do the same a few weeks back….

MickG0105 18th Apr 2024 06:59


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11637816)
Rex dropped a big sale including discount during the school holidays,
...

And it had no meaningful impact on pax numbers on their domestic jet network. Any time they get into a shoot-out with either of the majors on price, they lose.

CharlieLimaX-Ray 19th Apr 2024 21:55

Rex ZL9401/9906 B737 YMML-YDPO-YMML Friday lunchtime, would have got East West Loco excited!


Diff Tail Shim 19th Apr 2024 22:56

ATRs are ****e.

MickG0105 19th Apr 2024 23:01


Originally Posted by CharlieLimaX-Ray (Post 11639039)
Rex ZL9401/9906 B737 YMML-YDPO-YMML Friday lunchtime, would have got East West Loco excited!

What was that? A charter? Looks like it went to Devonport half full and came back empty.

nomess 19th Apr 2024 23:28


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11639079)
What was that? A charter? Looks like it went to Devonport half full and came back empty.

Spirit of Tasmania was having issues a few days ago with delays/cancellations from a cargo shift incident. Might be moving delayed pax over.

HOBAY 3 20th Apr 2024 01:09


Originally Posted by CharlieLimaX-Ray (Post 11639039)
Rex ZL9401/9906 B737 YMML-YDPO-YMML Friday lunchtime, would have got East West Loco excited!

Well, it might have aroused him; but to get him excited you'd need to match the glory day of 2 x EW F28 on the ground, plus an EW F27 and AN F28 in the circuit or whatever it was 🤣

CharlieLimaX-Ray 20th Apr 2024 09:10

Yes, the big man would have been in full flight if that was the case HOBAY 3.

EWL used to say that he had the Knight1 SID for selected crews to use when he was in his travel office in Devonport.

MickG0105 22nd Apr 2024 09:22

One of the two PAG directors moving on.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6844b38eae.jpg


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