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SHVC 2nd May 2021 22:40

How far does $150m take 6 jets? Surely longer than 6 months?

galdian 2nd May 2021 22:55

During the interview for a position mention was made that they (being the beancounters/upper management I assume) had done their homework and expected substantial oncarriage from their regional routes, sounded a bit iffy at the time purely based on volume of travellers.

Clearly the incumbents offer enough so that REX have not established a presence ML-SY-ML and probably won't....for now.

Only hope would appear to swing into the Tiger leisure market, maybe try and develop new/under served routes and then maybe....maybe have another go at the golden triangle later with better brand recognition.

Unless there's a desire or need to lose XXXX amount of $$ you can't sustain the unsustainable.


1A_Please 2nd May 2021 22:56

It will last a while but directors have a responsibility to protect their shareholders' and creditors' money. If directors are found to have acted recklessly, they do make themselves personally liable. If they are hopelessly losing money, they have to take action before the end.

VA directors did the responsible thing last year and called in administrators rather than waiting until receivers were brought in which probably ended up with a much poorer outcome for employees and creditors including Velocity members.

pinkpanther1 2nd May 2021 23:12

Interview with John Sharp on the today show this morning. Claiming Qantas has been capacity dumping, says QF flights are up 80% since rex started ML to SYD (somehow doesn't make the link between borders opening and flights increasing). You'll need a 9 account but worth a watch.
https://www.9now.com.au/today/2021/c...0s0ip1n9sb2vnb

1A_Please 2nd May 2021 23:18

JS just on 3AW and told some classic porkies.
  1. When asked if he was losing money on $39 fares, he said REX has always been profitable since it was founded but didn't answer the question. He did say passenger handling charges by gov't and airports is $30 per passenger. So if he has 40 passengers on a flight (good but unlikely for REX!!!) he has a whole $360 to cover leases, maintenance, fuel and staff.
  2. He also said they are debt-free and owe no-one anything which is a complete mischief when the jet fleet is leased which accounting standards say must be held as liabilities on the balance sheet.
  3. He was asked if he would consider only taking pax who had vaccination passports. Given his current situation, he'd probably gladly take the revenue of a person straight out of ICU with Covid.

blubak 2nd May 2021 23:45


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11037679)
JS just on 3AW and told some classic porkies.
  1. When asked if he was losing money on $39 fares, he said REX has always been profitable since it was founded but didn't answer the question. He did say passenger handling charges by gov't and airports is $30 per passenger. So if he has 40 passengers on a flight (good but unlikely for REX!!!) he has a whole $360 to cover leases, maintenance, fuel and staff.
  2. He also said they are debt-free and owe no-one anything which is a complete mischief when the jet fleet is leased which accounting standards say must be held as liabilities on the balance sheet.
  3. He was asked if he would consider only taking pax who had vaccination passports. Given his current situation, he'd probably gladly take the revenue of a person straight out of ICU with Covid.

Heard some of the same interview,didnt seem worried or concerned but good spin doctors are gifted in that area.

MickG0105 3rd May 2021 00:34


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11037687)
Heard some of the same interview,didnt seem worried or concerned but good spin doctors are gifted in that area.

You know the saying, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs ... then there's a very good chance that you have no idea what's going on.

430W 3rd May 2021 01:44

Does JS really think about what he says. QF and VA are only putting back capacity that they removed due to Covid-19 and they are still not back where they were pre the pandemic.

They have a responsibility to compete and protect their market share particularly when you have someone like Rex that are using the fact they they received a very big payment from JS's mates in the Coalition that wasn't provided like for like to both VA and QF. This is going to end in tears and is another example why governments should not try and pick winners.

I wonder how JS performs with the other aviation companies he is involved in. They are certainly not parading him around!

Agent_86 3rd May 2021 04:41

Jet* and VA have both dropped MEL/SYD fares to $39 after JS baited them...

MickG0105 3rd May 2021 04:53


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11037747)
Jet* and VA have both dropped MEL/SYD fares to $39 after JS baited them...

Baited?!

As Green.Dot noted at #997 Virgin had released $39 MEL-SYD fares yesterday, well before Sharp's media run this morning.

And spare a thought for the financial mechanics of what's going on here. There is a marked difference financially between an airline with 80-odd percent load factors offering $39 fares and an airline with sub-30 percent load factors offering them.

1A_Please 3rd May 2021 05:51


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11037749)
Baited?!

As Green.Dot noted at #997 Virgin had released $39 MEL-SYD fares yesterday, well before Sharp's media run this morning.

And spare a thought for the financial mechanics of what's going on here. There is a marked difference financially between an airline with 80-odd percent load factors offering $39 fares and an airline with sub-30 percent load factors offering them.

The mechanics are very different as you point out. VA can sell 10 $39 seats that they would have previously sold as Velocity reward seats and actually be better off financially and still have an average seat price across the plane of, say, $175 and have successfully diverted 10 pax away from REX. REX are unable to sell 20 seats on a flight when they are only charging $69. Even if they double their seats sold to 40 @ $39, they are only clearing $9 per pax once airport and gov't charges are included so that is a whole $360 for themselves for the whole flight....hardly a recipe for success.

pinkpanther1 3rd May 2021 06:15

At this point it's simply a war of attrition. Surely JS can see that he will be the weakest player here?

ANstar 3rd May 2021 07:20


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11037747)
Jet* and VA have both dropped MEL/SYD fares to $39 after JS baited them...

Jetstar are down to $30. Unlike Rex, both VA and JQ have buy on board that can help boost revenue.

On eyre 3rd May 2021 07:33


Originally Posted by pinkpanther1 (Post 11037760)
At this point it's simply a war of attrition. Surely JS can see that he will be the weakest player here?

And they worry about people who play the pokies ? I suppose it’s different when you’re using other people’s (shareholders) money 😳

Australopithecus 3rd May 2021 08:39


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11037757)
The mechanics are very different as you point out. VA can sell 10 $39 seats that they would have previously sold as Velocity reward seats and actually be better off financially and still have an average seat price across the plane of, say, $175 and have successfully diverted 10 pax away from REX. REX are unable to sell 20 seats on a flight when they are only charging $69. Even if they double their seats sold to 40 @ $39, they are only clearing $9 per pax once airport and gov't charges are included so that is a whole $360 for themselves for the whole flight....hardly a recipe for success.

They aren’t clearing $9/pax because there’s still the other $10,000/hr expenses to cover. So a Mel-Syd has something like a $14,640 loss. So they are probably planning to lose a tonne of money on every flight and make it up with frequency. Oh wait...

pinkpanther1 3rd May 2021 08:44

So at around 5 SYD-MEL daily, 7 days a week that's just over $1mil lost a week on that route alone...

Ladloy 3rd May 2021 08:49


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 11037818)
They aren’t clearing $9/pax because there’s still the other $10,000/hr expenses to cover. So a Mel-Syd has something like a $14,640 loss. So they are probably planning to lose a tonne of money on every flight and make it up with frequency. Oh wait...

Their leases are 25k per month for each aircraft. Is that quite cheap? Understandably that is only one cost of many.

PoppaJo 3rd May 2021 08:56

The Australian

Regional Express Airlines will pay as little as $60,000 a month per aircraft to lease six former Virgin Australia Boeing 737s, which will be used on the lucrative Melbourne-Sydney route.

Although deputy chairman John Sharp would not discuss the leasing arrangements, it is understood the $60,000 a month cost will rise to $100,000 a month after the first 12 months.

TBM-Legend 3rd May 2021 09:02

....plus reserves, plus insurance, plus enroute and landing and terminal fees plus plus plus....

turbantime 3rd May 2021 09:47

Judging by lead-in fares for the next couple of days it appears that VA have mostly sold their $39 fares whereas Rex’s cheapies are still for sale. Make of that what you will.


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