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-41 7th Jul 2020 06:43


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 10830874)
It could be pointed out that at least some of the people here whinging about REX getting a taxpayer handout are probably themselves getting a tax payer handout in the form of jobkeeper. Now I could ask, since I'm still working and paying tax, why should I be supporting you sitting at home doing nothing. I could say that.........maybe I will

What a Flog - enjoy your retirement

Arnold E 7th Jul 2020 06:56

Perhaps I should have elaborated, retired from aviation workforce not from the entire workforce.

Bodie1 7th Jul 2020 07:25

The others won't thank you Arnie, but I will. While you lift, I'll lean. Thanks Champ.

normanton 7th Jul 2020 07:36


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 10830874)
It could be pointed out that at least some of the people here whinging about REX getting a taxpayer handout are probably themselves getting a tax payer handout in the form of jobkeeper. Now I could ask, since I'm still working and paying tax, why should I be supporting you sitting at home doing nothing. I could say that.........maybe I will

Because I'm sure no one at Rex is on Jobkeeper either.

ozbiggles 7th Jul 2020 07:51

Can’t speak for others r but I’m not...which just goes to prove Arnie when you assume you make an ass of yourself. Nice to see your opinion of those who have been forced onto it at the moment.

Arnold E 7th Jul 2020 07:58

Dont know why your not on jobkeeper Oz but REX guys certainly are, but Norm, you have entirely missed the point of what I was saying.
If by me saying I hope REX does good and and grows has offended any of you, then I sincerely apologize, It has not been my intention to offend anyone.

normanton 7th Jul 2020 08:53

I'm all for company's expanding and creating more jobs.

But when REX whinges in the face of competition at the drop of a hat (it happens all the time), my tolerance for them goes down the greaser pole.

And whilst crying poor for government hand outs, they then claim expansion through raising capital against the SAAB's. Why didn't they do that before? Qantas did.

Do you see Qantas whinging about REX coming onto the golden triangle? Nope. But Rex can't expect to come onto the golden triangle without Qantas providing some competition on your monopoly routes.

SandyPalms 9th Jul 2020 11:23

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...-orange-route/

j3pipercub 10th Jul 2020 03:44

How terribly out of character for Rex to cry like toddlers when everything doesn’t go their own way.

TT738 11th Jul 2020 08:53

I'd be whinging at anything the big red rat does that interferes with your ops. No use complaining after the event.

cynphil 11th Jul 2020 22:42

Wrong again TT738........it’s a big white rat......at least you’re consistent!

wheels_down 12th Jul 2020 08:53

Are they able to get any of Tiger’s Sydney slots for these flights?

Tiger had around 20 slot pairs daily for Sydney.

At one point TT were carrying 4000 pax a day between ML and SY. Considerable opportunity once the market picks up again for Rex to nab some.

Alan will try to sink it, as all those 4000 punters will be wanted to help gives some upside to its failed taxpayer funded Avalon experiment. Jetstar never flew Tulla to Sydney before Tiger started it in 2009. They ran about 10 flights a day from Avalon. I would imagine they would be looking at potentially pulling back Tulla and increasing Avalon.

Andre Meyer 13th Aug 2020 02:29

Did anyone happen to see the article in The Australian (behind a paywall) about Rex buying 10 of Virgin’s 737s?

Icarus2001 13th Aug 2020 02:45

https://www.afr.com/street-talk/take...0200812-p55kuj

Leasing it would appear.

smiling monkey 13th Aug 2020 03:26

It would be interesting to see if Rex also rehires redundant ex Virgin crews, or whether they'll upgrade their existing turbo-prop pilots. We all know which is the cheaper option, so would they go for the cheaper option, or reward their loyal long serving pilots with a jet transition?

non_state_actor 13th Aug 2020 03:43


It would be interesting to see if Rex also rehires redundant ex Virgin crews, or whether they'll upgrade their existing turbo-prop pilots. We all know which is the cheaper option, so would they go for the cheaper option, or reward their loyal long serving pilots with a jet transition?
CASA will force them to have a percentage of crew being already experienced on type beyond that it's up to the airline. From what I have witnessed the transition later in life from long term turbo prop experience to a 737 is challenging.



Mach E Avelli 13th Aug 2020 06:01


Originally Posted by non_state_actor (Post 10859618)
From what I have witnessed the transition later in life from long term turbo prop experience to a 737 is challenging.

The "challenge" depends on the individual. I have seen ex Metro drivers ace B737 training and ex A320 drivers struggle with it.
Regardless of any challenge, it's a certainty that Rex will use type rated pilots for every B737 position - both L & R seats - until such time as the supply dries up. There is no industrial or legal impediment to them doing that, and a very strong short term financial incentive to do just that.
No, it's not rewarding loyalty, but we are experiencing the ancient curse of living in 'interesting times' .

Blueskymine 13th Aug 2020 06:13


Originally Posted by non_state_actor (Post 10859618)
CASA will force them to have a percentage of crew being already experienced on type beyond that it's up to the airline. From what I have witnessed the transition later in life from long term turbo prop experience to a 737 is challenging.

If you can fly a Saab under the Rex system, you will fall asleep flying a 737.


onedottoolow 13th Aug 2020 06:49

It will be the best thing for Rex if the 737 deal goes through. At least those of us here will have the opportunity for progression onto a jet aircraft.

good luck to all

porch monkey 13th Aug 2020 09:38

How long you been at REX one dot?? Do you actually believe what you wrote?

Street garbage 13th Aug 2020 09:48


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 10830902)
Perhaps I should have elaborated, retired from aviation workforce not from the entire workforce.

Do you think we are on Jobkeeper by choice?
What would happened to the economy if JK was not available, and unemployment at northwards of 20%?
I suggest you take your whining to the Murdoch press editorials...

MacTrim 13th Aug 2020 12:54

If REX get 737, the last people to fly them will be long termREX Pilots...no malice there, just FACT

Arnold E 14th Aug 2020 00:36

Not sure I understand what you are on about Street garbage, I definitely have no problem with JK, some of my family are on it, just not me ???

MelbourneFlyer 14th Aug 2020 01:21

Looks like REX is making a move to pick up some of Virgin's leased B737s which the airline no longer needs, see https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...ed-boeing-737s

I don't suppose that Rex could keep Virgin's seats, in fact they'd probably want to replace them and maybe even extend the 3-3 economy rows through to the former business class cabin and make this an NZ-style premium section with an empty seat in the middle.

Turnleft080 14th Aug 2020 01:48


Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer (Post 10860489)
Looks like REX is making a move to pick up some of Virgin's leased B737s which the airline no longer needs, see https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...ed-boeing-737s

I don't suppose that Rex could keep Virgin's seats, in fact they'd probably want to replace them and maybe even extend the 3-3 economy rows through to the former business class cabin and make this an NZ-style premium section with an empty seat in the middle.

Amazing how aviation goes around in circles. Just like VB picking up VH-CZQ now rex will pick up some of VAs. If Rex go well, then they go well if they don't, then VA buy out
Rex's 73s for 1 buck then call it Tiger. I'm just thinking circles.

MickG0105 14th Aug 2020 02:40


Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer (Post 10860489)
Looks like REX is making a move to pick up some of Virgin's leased B737s which the airline no longer needs, see https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...ed-boeing-737s

I don't suppose that Rex could keep Virgin's seats, in fact they'd probably want to replace them and maybe even extend the 3-3 economy rows through to the former business class cabin and make this an NZ-style premium section with an empty seat in the middle.

I'm pretty sure that the only Virgin branded seats are J class, so that would need to be addressed before Rex could use them. I recall Economy X had branding but not Virgin specific - a headrest cover could fix that.

The external paint job would be another matter.

havick 14th Aug 2020 03:25

Rex becomes the new virgin (at least route network), link (rebranded corporate) becomes the new Rex backfill? Alliance keeps doing their thing and Hoovers up what’s left and profitable for them?

Street garbage 14th Aug 2020 06:09


Originally Posted by Arnold E (Post 10860474)
Not sure I understand what you are on about Street garbage, I definitely have no problem with JK, some of my family are on it, just not me ???

What did you write this then?

It could be pointed out that at least some of the people here whinging about REX getting a taxpayer handout are probably themselves getting a tax payer handout in the form of jobkeeper. Now I could ask, since I'm still working and paying tax, why should I be supporting you sitting at home doing nothing. I could say that.........maybe I will

Ragnor 14th Aug 2020 08:44

So Rex are planning on starting this in 18 or so months when the borders open back up?

Icarus2001 14th Aug 2020 09:01

From the original ASX release...

"The Board has confirmed 1 March 2021 as the targeted start date for domestic operations, subject to fund availability and regulatory approval."

It will take that long to vary the AOC, train, paint, and prove.

Pastor of Muppets 14th Aug 2020 09:48

There’s a bloody smear on the aviation brick wall, just waiting for Rex to bash their head against too.

Section28- BE 14th Aug 2020 10:04


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10860678)
So Rex are planning on starting this in 18 or so months when the borders open back up?

Well....... does, sound a tad like 6/7x months????

However, 'They'- DO have a 'Sharpie' (no, Not the Felt-Pen variety- the 'Donald', also uses 1x of..... those, at 'a' time, apparently).

Any single thing is Possible- 'Apparently/Allegedly'...!!!!- "just gotta ask" (like, the New-Car shop).......!!!!!

rgds all
Good W/E- & be Well
S28- BE

Andre Meyer 14th Aug 2020 10:41

I do wonder then, if this happens to be a successful venture whether they’d go as far as offering an MPL in their cadetship?

Come in spinner 14th Aug 2020 11:27

I hope it happens
as for crewing pick up a few good captains and first officers with experience on a contract maybe three years and start the progression from prop to jet

Double_Clutch 14th Aug 2020 11:45

Yes please. I am ready to progress from my 152 to the 737.
Where do I send my application? Just finished my internship at McDonalds

galdian 14th Aug 2020 12:48

Just interesting - one poster postulates that the cost to transition pilots says REX won't upgrade existing crew.
Another poster assumes a done deal that REX WOULD transition existing crew.

Being diametrically opposed only one position can be correct.

Of course if VA2 do get up is there a market for someone like REXJET - or are they just covering the "what if/maybe...." position?

If VA2 doesn't eventuate....anyone's guess for Oz aviation.

Cheers


havick 14th Aug 2020 13:27


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 10860895)
Just interesting - one poster postulates that the cost to transition pilots says REX won't upgrade existing crew.
Another poster assumes a done deal that REX WOULD transition existing crew.

Being diametrically opposed only one position can be correct.

Of course if VA2 do get up is there a market for someone like REXJET - or are they just covering the "what if/maybe...." position?

If VA2 doesn't eventuate....anyone's guess for Oz aviation.

Cheers

Don’t discount public perception of a failed airline.

Passengers may see Rex as more reliable rather than punting their money on Phoenix rising.

Andre Meyer 14th Aug 2020 13:47

Not saying it is a good thing.

Neither saying it should happen.

It just seems as though it is becoming more common (pre-covid that is). Might just be a European thing that is.

Ragnor 14th Aug 2020 20:35

August 15th today! Rex even begun the process for getting a jet operation up and running CASA, crew C&T etc? mission launch was March 2021 time is fast running out and where are they going with these jets? ex SY to WG or Broken Hill. unless they plan on operating in QLD until a vaccine is found and the citizens are inoculated so the borders can now be opened.

Arnold E 14th Aug 2020 23:40


Originally Posted by Street garbage (Post 10860567)
What did you write this then?

It could be pointed out that at least some of the people here whinging about REX getting a taxpayer handout are probably themselves getting a tax payer handout in the form of jobkeeper. Now I could ask, since I'm still working and paying tax, why should I be supporting you sitting at home doing nothing. I could say that.........maybe I will

Ahh yes Street garbage, at the time there were a few whinging about REX getting government money for nothing, I was trying to make a point that REX were not alone getting government money. Unfortunately I chose a poor comparison, I admit I am not a literary genius and hence chose poorly. I am a supporter of REX (or in fact any aviation entity getting help) I am a supporter of Jobkeeper, as I said some of my family are on it. I did also post that if I had offended anyone then I was sorry and I apologize. I repeat I was only trying to make a point to the few REX detractors


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