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MickG0105 6th May 2024 20:54


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11606019)
Three additional 737s to join the fleet as Rex announce a small loss, on the last day of VH-RQG being in the fleet.

Any word on when the additional jets are meant to arrive?

nomess 6th May 2024 21:26


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11650457)
Any word on when the additional jets are meant to arrive?

I assume a further cash injection will be landing shortly if they intend to grow the loss making business?

They don’t appear to have enough cash to get out of 2025. Another $100m should tidy them over until 2027/8


Ladloy 6th May 2024 22:27


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11650468)
I assume a further cash injection will be landing shortly if they intend to grow the loss making business?

They don’t appear to have enough cash to get out of 2025. Another $100m should tidy them over until 2027/8

It's an interesting scenario because LKH and Singaporean friends will lose their stronghold. It could be the case that he is shown the door from the board

MickG0105 6th May 2024 22:38


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11650491)
It's an interesting scenario because LKH and Singaporean friends will lose their stronghold. It could be the case that he is shown the door from the board

I think that LKH packed his parachute when he set up a separate JV for the NJE acquisition; it gives him an 'exit, stage left' option.

markis10 6th May 2024 22:49


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11650457)
Any word on when the additional jets are meant to arrive?

At least one more to come this financial year was the plan

Wizofoz 6th May 2024 23:52


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11650499)
At least one more to come this financial year was the plan

I think the plan is hitting the reality of a very tight second hand market.

nomess 7th May 2024 00:32

The next batch of Singapore NGs won’t be available until this December and into the next December. All depends on engineering however on exit.

I note the first few coming off lease are tied to Pembroke who are already tied to Virgin with the old Tiger Singapore A320 leases.

Would be wise for Virgin to pickup all these leases, that should alleviate some fleet pain in the coming years.

I don’t think Rex is in the position to bargain top dollar. Everyone else can, they are really only in the position to negotiate bottom dollar, that ship has now sailed.

markis10 7th May 2024 00:50


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11650529)
I think the plan is hitting the reality of a very tight second hand market.

I am still baffled by the release of RQG by Rex and its subsequent parting out in ASP, market cannot be that tight or it had a serious issue, apart from Rex not willing to pay the market rates in todays market!

Ladloy 7th May 2024 01:19


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11650554)
apart from Rex not willing to pay the market rates in todays market!

This. LKH still thinks he's bullying councils.

Wizofoz 7th May 2024 01:57


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11650554)
I am still baffled by the release of RQG by Rex and its subsequent parting out in ASP, market cannot be that tight or it had a serious issue, apart from Rex not willing to pay the market rates in todays market!

With RQG it seems like the leasor was just determined to convert the aircraft to freight. But I'm sure the rest is probably true- that being said, how much is too much?

DanV2 8th May 2024 23:55

It may be possible the outgoing SQ/MI 738s coming off lease over there are coming to REX to replace another 1 (or 2) ex-VA older 738s (which I'm assuming are probably coming off lease on Covid terms). So little (if not no) net gain for Rex.

Can't see ZL renegotiating lease terms on the remaining old ex-VA 738s.

MickG0105 9th May 2024 22:51


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11650468)
I assume a further cash injection will be landing shortly if they intend to grow the loss making business?

They don’t appear to have enough cash to get out of 2025. Another $100m should tidy them over until 2027/8

I'm struggling to see how they will raise any further capital without first taking the wire brush to the current set-up. Domestic jet is performing terribly; as bad as April was (it was their worst month this FY), the first week of May was worse (around 29,800 pax over 306 flights). Any lenders looking at the Australian aviation market at the moment will be as nervous as long-tail cats in a room full of rocking chairs.

visual_procedures 10th May 2024 00:14

The Townsville refueler said the airframe had significant "bending" and wouldn't "fly straight"

nomess 10th May 2024 00:20


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11652241)
I'm struggling to see how they will raise any further capital without first taking the wire brush to the current set-up. Domestic jet is performing terribly; as bad as April was (it was their worst month this FY), the first week of May was worse (around 29,800 pax over 306 flights). Any lenders looking at the Australian aviation market at the moment will be as nervous as long-tail cats in a room full of rocking chairs.

While May is often quieter, those numbers you quote are unacceptable, even more so when the business model is based on capital operations, the quiet factor is somewhat not related, you are busy regardless. Not the case here.

While I don’t doubt your numbers, having a brief look, currently 8 aircraft in the air, loads vary but averaged out at 43%.

I don’t know what is next for this business. The obvious concern is costs are increasing but loads are trending backwards. That’s generally the moment in time when people start getting sacked and new minds come in. The really strange thing with this operator, is they just appear to be sitting back and doing not much at all. They must have a money tree or something growing out the back.


43Inches 10th May 2024 00:41

I think it's a slow time of year and the great Covid exhale is over, with now many overextended and unable to afford those 'cheap holidays'. I think all airlines will be losing custom over the next few months if not for a few years to come.

nomess 10th May 2024 01:13

Virgin boss did allude at the a challenging half ahead not that long ago, I think I would reword that and say ‘a few’ half’s ahead. Some commentary from Qantas last week also hinting at some pullback in Jetstar. Certainly a shift in tone.

US carriers under the big 3 are in some pain currently.

This is the time you want those corporate contracts, revenue which will keep you afloat. Rex, Bonza etc, are in a bad spot should the economy start tanking. Wouldn’t expect any significant market shift until FY26.

Icarus2001 10th May 2024 01:35

The more I read the worse it looks. Difficult to see REX existing in its present form by the end of the year without a massive cash injection.

So how does that sit as a publicly listed company?

On eyre 10th May 2024 01:35


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11652241)
I'm struggling to see how they will raise any further capital without first taking the wire brush to the current set-up. Domestic jet is performing terribly; as bad as April was (it was their worst month this FY), the first week of May was worse (around 29,800 pax over 306 flights). Any lenders looking at the Australian aviation market at the moment will be as nervous as long-tail cats in a room full of rocking chairs.

And they appear to be creaming cash off their regional clients (where their heart is - not) even where they have competition knowing Qlink are doing the same.

MickG0105 10th May 2024 09:10


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11652269)
While May is often quieter, those numbers you quote are unacceptable, ...

Agreed, and agreed. May certainly is typically one of the three quieter months of the year, but it is never grave yard quiet (except for 2020, there was something in the air that year, as I recall).


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11652269)
...
While I don’t doubt your numbers, ...

I constantly entertain the notion that I may be mistaken so I'd invite others to do the same.


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11652269)
... having a brief look, currently 8 aircraft in the air, loads vary but averaged out at 43%.
...

I am seeing pretty much the same thing, and on a Friday! As of 7pm, they haven't pushed back a SYD-MEL or MEL-SYD flight today that has been even half full.


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11652269)
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The obvious concern is costs are increasing but loads are trending backwards. That’s generally the moment in time when people start getting sacked and new minds come in. The really strange thing with this operator, is they just appear to be sitting back and doing not much at all. ...

Yep, they appear to be taking the approach usually adopted by people who have no idea - hope and prayers.
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nomess 11th May 2024 02:03


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11652284)
The more I read the worse it looks. Difficult to see REX existing in its present form by the end of the year without a massive cash injection.

So how does that sit as a publicly listed company?

Looking at what cash they have, they should be able to make ends meet until at least Q3 next year. Cost blowouts with new leases and exiting others could reduce that however. That doesn’t mean they wait until then before doing something, you would expect some news in the the back half of this year.

While another $100m will be needed, it’s hard to see how one could fund this any further.

The pressure will on very soon to make this Jet operation somewhat profitable and sustainable. Time is running out.



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