Seriously Christmas Island and Manus Island? Yeah that’s a great solution, logistically very easy to achieve and really helps getting cargo into Aus, brilliant.

Let’s look at what is currently working, erm Howard Springs! There have been no cases escape, so now maybe it’s time to ramp up the facility and capability. No doubt Wagner’s will get their way and build another purpose built facility next to Wellcamp. HQ is far from perfect but what is the actual percentage of cases that have escaped into the community? So the holes in the ole Swiss need to be filled in. Perfect it ain’t but it’s all that is currently available.

Or the old fook off we’re full, is that what you prefer. Best tell that to all the Aussies who have been trying to get home since March. Some with over 8 cancelled flights, others paying huge fares due to the caps. The QF charter flights are great but nowhere near enough.

I certainly want all kinds of travel back, even domestic travel without having to worry about borders and quarantine.

The solution?

HEAR, HEAR!

I will take the consequences of personal responsibility, everyday of the year and twice on Sundays. How society ever let itself get to the point where cretins are thanking State Premiers for 'keeping me safe' from something that can be controlled by washing your ******* hands and not ******* coughing and sneezing on people is beyond my comprehension.

So the Premier that's keeping you safe from the flu is allowing thousands of their residents to suck a pox into your lungs, and a fair smack them to die, all because it makes them back a few quid in federal taxes?

Sooooooo, medical ethicists have been making decisions on who lives/who dies in hospitals for decades, where the money is best spent and on who based on value to the community and economy. But NOW.......NOW, all of a sudden this is HORRENDOUS!!!

It appears you can have it both ways if you are from a certain age group and generation. To my way of thinking there appears to be a significant degradation in your mental thought processes once you get to this age, all of a sudden the risks you weighed up and took in your younger years go out the window and you now want to be all nice and cosy in your cotton wool. Problem is, everyone else in the community pays the price.

On the 3pm news Mr McGowan is hinting the hard border with Victoria might come back.

How is DA still in control of Victoria! It’s Febuary he has canceled ANZAC day already but hey let’s hold a tennis match. This guy is flawed on every way.

Stupidest thing I have read so far on this thread, and that's saying something.

Most of Victoria couldn’t give two ****s. I think the same could be said for most of the country.

No Anzac Day, but BLM marches and Tennis are all fine?

Correct. So why the constant bleating on this thread?

TWT you are right , I just had a quick glance. But that is the point really convoluted , complex rules that are continually changing

Looks like WA will shut to Vict , Qld now have restrictions & are watching very closely

Staff infected from two quarantine hotels in Melb, the nebuliser theory is a wonderful red herring. Took Dan & the gang less than
two months to muck up hotel quarantine yet again after the July 2020 master class. Still all boasting about how how the Vics are the best & we teach all the plebs
from the other states how to hotel quarantine

There will be more transmissions from other quarantine hotels in Melbourne , nothing is more certain

These characters have destroyed aviation & travel not Alan or Jayne or even CASA

Oh yes we couldn't do Anzac day ,but "Mums the word" for BLM , Dan went to ground for a couple of days

PJ : well maybe those who have commercial interests that cross interstate borders or work for airlines or any hotac related field or drive a taxi or simply want a
holiday in WA do actually give as you say a sh## or two

Hey McLimit, let me see if I've got this right...

You are concerned about risk aversion in others.

But are risk averse when it comes to the economy...

"You can't have it both ways."

"It appears you can have it both ways"

Yes, it appears you can. :ok:

Two more cases just now.. here we go again!!!


And now there are people able to slip past staff to deliver a PlayStation to a room!! It’s all going so well. I bet by Saturday, cases in Melbourne will be in the 100s!!

pretty sure you’re in WA (or SW China, same sort of ‘leadership’ style) where the brainwashin and fear mongering is at its finest.

the 2 cases are household contacts of previous cases. Is it great? No. But lets put it in perspective. It’s not like it’s running rampant just yet. Unless you’re considering a future in WA politics, in that case keep the FUD up.

Can we just get NSW to take over the HQ & contact tracing for Vic, lock Dan up in prison, throw away the key and then we can get on with life?

Absolutely right,'put it in perspective'.
Theres always going to be a risk & when someone bends or breaks the rules including concealing a neubiliser the risk becomes a fact.
Then you have the people in quarantine who are making accusations about staff not wearing masks etc whilst not wearing a mask themselves (watch the newsclip & you will see the loudmouth).
There are plenty of people who have made mistakes & of course Andrews made a big 1 but this virus is being controlled & it seems many on here just take pleasure out of every piece of negative news they can focus on just like the time wasters ringing up radio talkback programs & complaining because they have nothing better to do.

The AO is worth to much money to ML shame that ANZAC day isn't worth as much to DA tho. After its completion and tennis players are gone then he will consider locking down ML. If he does it now the threat of loosing the open is a real possibility I bet there wont be advanced announcement about cancelling the F! in November if cases are happening in June!

And i guess you believe the guy who slipped past staff(if that is the case) did the right thing??
Lets keep the negativity going,the media are reporting 4 or 5 new cases today,they were in fact actually announced yesterday & all linked to holiday inn case but that fact doesnt get headlines.

heard just now another snap 5 day lockdown is planned. I imagine they will wait for today’s and possibly tomorrow’s case numbers but seems quite likely.

Snap 5 day lockdown archives what?? Incubation period is at least 14 days. WA and QLD were just lucky further cases didn’t emerge definitely not a result of “snap” lock downs and “slamming” the borders shut.

I don't want 500 cases, however, as to why I would want to?

Maybe to keep Australia as one nation, rather than the 6 different micro-nations we have become. Maybe to give certainty to everyone from tourist operators to airlines to Joe Q Public and his dying father that 'ol Joe can get to his funeral. Maybe because I live in NSW and work in WA and would like to actually get paid at some point to keep my house - because I have not been to work for nearly a year, am not eligible for JobKeeper (employer turnover hasn't dropped enough) and am not eligible for any Centrelink benefits ("You're still employed, you haven't resigned nor been sacked".) Maybe because I don't consider it fair for NSW to have brought home tens of thousands more Australians than any other state with the risk of an HQ-breach that that entails - yet they are getting screwed over time and time again by Premiers who won't do their fair share. Maybe because I think people should themselves take responsibility for their healthcare & wellbeing instead of praising scumbags like McGowan "who kept us safe for so long". Or maybe it is because I firmly believe if you give a politician an inch, they'll take a mile. People endorsing the locking out of 30% of Australia's citizens over one case, whose source is known only reinforce such punitive measures remain acceptable for the smallest infraction of anything the CHO, Police Minister (in his role as EMO) or Premier might dream up in future, and I think that is wrong.

Take your pick of any of the above. If there is a genuine risk, fine. One case in 8.5 million people is not a genuine risk to a state that warrants a border closure, no matter how you try to show it is.
So wash your bloody hands, wear a mask and don't sneeze over people in the food court at the local shops. Take some responsibility for your own wellbeing instead of expecting Australia to bend over and take it up the asre "to keep you safe".

I don't get it.

All of you complain that states that lockdown when outbreaks occur say they should follow NSW's approach and just use contact tracing (even though they did a partial lockdown) because otherwise it destroys the economy.

Now in Victoria you're all piling on DA for....... using contact tracing and keeping the economy going during a major income event (the AO)

It seems people just decide who to like/hate based on what political party the person involved belongs to and then they look for evidence solely to back up that position.

And get tested. Amen.

A snap lockdown gives contact tracers a chance to try and get ahead of the virus and identify and quarantine those potentially at risk of having been exposed. That takes time. It’s a good idea, but the downside is that it is preceded by panic buying and people fleeing the lockdown area, which is not good for containment.

Maybe the issue is DA and the Vic goverment are putting international sporting events ahead of Australian people and Australian livelihoods. Look at what is happening now not even two months ago Victorian residents couldn’t even cross their own border to get home. They allow the Australian open importing foreign ppl purposely for a sporting event whilst canceling Australian national day which is far more important than any AO and F1 event.

Mystery modes of transmission with hyper mutant ninja infective ability, the naughty guest used a nebuliser, so it couldn't have been a breakdown
of basic infection control , breach of discipline or any fault of the Govt

Was the CHO of Victoria biting his tongue or trying very hard not to laugh when he was agreeing that the nebuliser was a "plausible theory indeed"

Uber driver accidently delivered a nebuliser to the other hotel Grand Hyatt instead of a pizza , where other transmission to staff occurred

Victoria leads the world with hotel quarantine procedures , Dan tells us all the other states learn from us & come asking humbly for advice

The fact that Vict had a little issue to deal with in 2020(circa 900 dead people) and didn't accept international arrivals from July until December in no way diminishes
the superiority of Dan & the gang with hotel quarantine

He also took the great leap forward to invent the "traffic light" system to judge the plebs outside Victoria

No doubt there will be excitable buzzword baby talk in todays press conference , we might see just a little bit of self-congratulations and "shout outs" to the incredible team

Before you can say "Dans your Uncle" yes another lockdown , transmission from two Hotels in less than two months after second chance

You show em Dan , you tell em

Melbourne about to announce 5 day lockdown just like Perth a few weeks ago. Not confirmed cabinet is meeting.

CHO ..... Chief Humour Officer ..... rather sad situation actually.

The guy was just wincing as he was saying it , somehow I don't guys like the former Fed CMO would have played along

More months of stand downs on the way for flight & cabin crew

Now, with a lock-down imminent, the major supermarkets COULD initiate buying limits in advance.
But they won't, will they?

The hurdle to that is, not all of Australia wants to be moulded on the image of NSW.

Melbourne airport cafe worker, worked 8 hour shift before testing positive....potentially spreading all around the country

So DA hard kick down again only 4 reason to leave home! Australian Open better be canceled now as it does not fall into the 4 reasons.

Unfortunately, whilst being correct in this statement, it still starts at the top. There was early consensus, a national Cabinet etc, but it has devolved along party lines in finger pointing and willy waving (for those with one). The point scoring and posturing is just phenomenal.

I doubt there's a legal pathway for the Feds to assume responsibility, but I'd be interested to know if the GG can have an impact here.

The scary number, whose name I forget, is the reinfection time. The time from when a person is infected until they start infecting others. That number for "ordinary" Covid is something like 4-5 days. This new British variant that is causing us grief has a period of 48 to 72 hours.

That means that the victim is infectious before or at the same time as they develop symptoms.

The Five day lockdown is to enable the contact tracers to keep up with the virus. There are already about a thousand contacts isolating in Victoria.

What you should be concerned about is anyone who has traveled through terminal 4.

I just cannot understand why we are continuing with this madness..how many more shutdowns will it take before quarantine is moved out of major cities

Scomo is a true politician. He won't stop international arrivals yet as it will make him look heartless and over the top. Let the states stuff up hotel quarantine until the people demand a change.

He used to blow up about border closures, now not a peep. It doesn't change anything and makes him look powerless compared to the premiers. He knows which way the wind blows.

I think a push for change is coming. To move HQ out of the cities.

With respect - and I sometimes agree with what you have to say - you are as guilty of this as anyone else here.

You Bloody Champion Glady's :ok: The voice of reason.

Not me, I partially decide who I like and trust based on whether they're a liar.

Plenty of evidence to back up my decision.

Just for information, does Australia/ NZ have a vaccination programme in place.? We can’t eliminate C19 in the long term, and vaccines seem the way out to a life of some normalcy worldwide.
Or is the idea to stay shut off from the rest of the World with a 0 infection C19 policy, as they fortunately have now.