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And looking at the heat the darling of the media Jacinda is taking today in NZ for 2 compassionate UK travers with Covid getting loose in the country makes it a good case study in bad politics in letting people back in. Sad but true.
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Originally Posted by Pundit
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Ragnor the protestors have nothing to do with the current increasing numbers. Their impact is still 7 days away
Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now. |
Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.
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Well, not this border...
"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...tions/12365978 |
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"Australians hoping for an overseas holiday have had their hopes dashed, with the Tourism Minister saying the nation's border is likely to stay closed until next year." More catastrophising from the unhelpful media. If you read his actual words it is far from settled. Asked whether that meant the border would not open until next year, he said, "I think that is more likely the case". |
If the Victorian numbers keep going the way they are, we might not even get state borders open. The various premiers have given themselves enough wiggle room to keep them closed as the proposed dates are only tentative.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10812910)
Yes they do. 9 of them are confirmed as being at the protest, the the new cases who are now testing positive can as per medical guidelines infect 2.5 people. A second wave is imminent now.
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Seems money has now trumped the state premiers passion for health and their minders have instructed them the voters majority is now in favour of opening borders. SA, NT next QLD all fighting for tourists and uni students. All a very political game. WA will try and be tough but collapse
I’m particularly enjoying the bit when they say we will open on 17 July because then we will be able to have x weeks of seeing transmission rates. So if they go up on 16 July like they are going to keep their borders shut? You can predict what they will do pretty easy, even the when, which is about 24 hours after the first state moves. |
If you need any more proof this state border closure is about politics and nothing more, the WA transport minister Rita Saffioti has just blamed the slow uptake of people using Perth public transport on "mixed messages from over East". Yes, that's right, people not getting on buses in Perth is Sydney and Melbourne's fault. WTF!
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8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608 |
Originally Posted by The Banjo
(Post 10813935)
8.1 percent unemployment in WA might rattle the cage a little...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...ation/12368608 Dont forget the 3.5 million people on Jobkeeper are recorded as employed. Come end of September when the payments stop, these unemployment rates will most likely get seriously ugly. |
Are job keeper payments being extended for certain industries?
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No! Deloitte has approach the Gov already to extend Jobkeeper for VA employees. September is when it will end.
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 10812917)
Where is the figure of 9 coming from? I have heard of two so far. I don’t support protesting in the middle of a pandemic and I suspect it will lead to a worldwide increase but I haven’t heard the number of 9 from Melbourne? Regardless it will further slow down getting flying again.
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This graphic from another thread, posted by exfocx is worth a look
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/ |
Originally Posted by unexplained blip
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Three is the number I have read (for Victoria) but also it is being said that they didn't catch it at the protest. If that second part is true then it is trouble with a capital T. It means that out of 20000 people who attended, three at random were COVID positive. Extrapolating that, you have 750 Vic cases existing in the wild over the past fortnight. Bang. So I do hope the three +ve cases not being caught at the rally is bollocks. Having one in 20000 turning up with COVID can be put down to chance and a weighted coin, and not down to an indicator of a skyrocketing infection level since restrictions were first relaxed.
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One thing to keep in mind is the false positives that seem to be coming out which get retracted or the cases that go from unknown contact to known days later as happened in NSW with one of the weekend cases. It makes the news that day but the retractions don’t.
A false positive rate of <1 in 10000 is pretty good. They are testing huge numbers so obviously there will be hiccoughs, most of the world would consider these utterly inconsequential. We saw the consequences here after the sad death in Queensland. |
I agree, people need to listen and take direction. Stay home let’s not ruin the hard work everyone has done in all industry's. Now is not the time to be selfish and think you can do what you like.
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Originally Posted by angryrat
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Today’s figures from Victoria are concerning to say the least. 25 new cases and only 1 of those a returned traveller. I’m glad to see the Victorian government is being proactive but it’s hard to govern idiots. Reports of people being told to isolate and then going to work or family gatherings only to infect people. Some of those had just been tested, SMH.
Victorians are risking a second wave and while I’ve been against extended border closures, surely if Victorians can’t get their act together, there could be a case for border restrictions for Victorians. It would be a shame for the rest of the nation to be restricted or infected because one state doesn’t get their act together. |
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