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BuzzBox 10th Mar 2022 23:05


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11197901)
Could it be that unvaccinated even with mild symptoms are being hospitalised out of precaution due to their vaccination status?

No, they're being hospitalised because they are seriously ill and need that level of care. Less than two per cent of WA's population is unvaccinated, yet that cohort accounts for around half the hospital admissions to date.

Capn Rex Havoc 11th Mar 2022 14:24

Total and complete scare mongering....... Those numbers in hospital are statistically insignificant. I still can't get my head around why, vaccinated folk are so paranoid and scared to associate with unvaccinated folk.

Bend alot 11th Mar 2022 21:09

Hospitals are also used to isolate people that can not do it where they live - like people from aged care with mild symptoms.

I did not hear the vax status of the last 2 deaths in WA.

They normally get shouted out under 1 condition/status.

WA is said to have BA2 variant of about 50% (it has been in Australia since Jan contrary to the news report yesterday).

Ladloy 11th Mar 2022 22:30


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11198598)
Hospitals are also used to isolate people that can not do it where they live - like people from aged care with mild symptoms.

I did not hear the vax status of the last 2 deaths in WA.

They normally get shouted out under 1 condition/status.

WA is said to have BA2 variant of about 50% (it has been in Australia since Jan contrary to the news report yesterday).

Unless nsw and vic do it differently to WA, I have never heard of mild cases in hospitals to prevent spread.

ChrisJ800 11th Mar 2022 23:24

I moved from Oz to Philippines 5 weeks ago. Best move I ever did. Everyone is getting on with life here. Need to wear masks even outside but bars are all open!

Chronic Snoozer 12th Mar 2022 00:15


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11198401)
Total and complete scare mongering....... Those numbers in hospital are statistically insignificant. I still can't get my head around why, vaccinated folk are so paranoid and scared to associate with unvaccinated folk.

What scaremongering and who's paranoid? They're just statistics.

Turnleft080 12th Mar 2022 04:51


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11198401)
Total and complete scare mongering....... Those numbers in hospital are statistically insignificant. I still can't get my head around why, vaccinated folk are so paranoid and scared to associate with unvaccinated folk.

Speaking of the unvaxed, US airlines will bringing back unvaxed staff. That will be a bit of ammunition for the folk at QF & VA that are taking on their unfair dismissal cases.

https://tickernews.co/airline-compan...-back-to-work/

SHVC 12th Mar 2022 05:59

No not really! America is another country. What goes on there is no precedence for what goes on here.

43Inches 12th Mar 2022 06:01


Employees that were placed on unpaid leave last year because they were unvaccinated against COVID-19, due to a medical or religious exemption will now be able to return to work
That seems to imply that only those that were put on leave with exemptions will be welcomed back, not those that chose not to be vaccinated.


I moved from Oz to Philippines 5 weeks ago. Best move I ever did. Everyone is getting on with life here. Need to wear masks even outside but bars are all open!
Hope that's just a raz up, good luck if you get sick of anything, or are you maintaining your Aussie citizenship so you can evac back to safety on our taxes when your expedition goes awry? There are downsides to the third world you know, like random cities there being held by Islamic extremists etc... hope that's better than not being able to go to a pub, however not sure where that is in Australia at present. I went to the pub yesterday for a meal and drink, sans mask.

I also enjoyed my drink without the threat of a terrorist bombing me or being taken hostage for being foreign looking to be used as a bargaining chip.


Reconsider travel to the Philippines due to COVID-19. Additionally, exercise increased caution due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, and kidnapping. Read the entire Travel Advisory.
That's the current travel warning for the Philippines. BTW I didn't even think of Covid while enjoying my meal, let alone being in danger. I don't think there's even a place I eat/drink at in Melbourne or Sydney where I even worry about my wallet being stolen.

Bend alot 12th Mar 2022 09:04


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11198653)
Unless nsw and vic do it differently to WA, I have never heard of mild cases in hospitals to prevent spread.

You can not even get what Health advice is based on from NSW or QLD - so you hear nothing for or "against" my friend.

SA, well they got some info FOI - and no delay cops back to work.

The Health Advice was brilliant - take a look.

43Inches 12th Mar 2022 10:25

Aged care in Victoria/NSW will isolate you in your room with covid or close contact, unless you are very high risk, then you will be moved to hospital to be monitored so if you deteriorate you can get the highest level of medical care quickly if needed. The hospital is not used as a quarantine facility.

Wizofoz 12th Mar 2022 22:42


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11198695)
What scaremongering and who's paranoid? They're just statistics.

Rex is scared of statistics that don't fit his narrative.

KRviator 12th Mar 2022 23:01


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11198695)
What scaremongering and who's paranoid? They're just statistics.

You only have to look at the narrative from McGowan or his CHO as regards NSW or Victoria.

"Lockdown like conditions" (because we have to wear a mask indoors, and check in - big woop), "Thousands and thousands of deaths I want to avoid" (While neglecting to mention 48.6% of all returning Australian's came home via Sydney after he wimped out on his agreed "1000 a week", and halved it, then halved it again to only 256). "By watching NSW you can see what works and what doesn’t work. " (Guess bringing home so many people for the good of the nation "doesn't work", eh...

I could go on, but really, what's the point? If you cannot accept that such things have been happening for the last two years, then nothing I say will change your mind...

WingNut60 12th Mar 2022 23:34


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11199064)
........................."Thousands and thousands of deaths I want to avoid" .........................

Location Cases Deaths

New South Wales 1.45M 1,975

Victoria 1.12M 2,640

Western Australia 39,226 12 13

Yep, obviously a rabid propagandist
I'm glad I'm not your grandmother


I could go on, but really, what's the point? .................
And yet you do?

Chronic Snoozer 13th Mar 2022 08:05


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11199064)
You only have to look at the narrative from McGowan or his CHO as regards NSW or Victoria.

"Lockdown like conditions" (because we have to wear a mask indoors, and check in - big woop), "Thousands and thousands of deaths I want to avoid" (While neglecting to mention 48.6% of all returning Australian's came home via Sydney after he wimped out on his agreed "1000 a week", and halved it, then halved it again to only 256). "By watching NSW you can see what works and what doesn’t work. " (Guess bringing home so many people for the good of the nation "doesn't work", eh...

I could go on, but really, what's the point? If you cannot accept that such things have been happening for the last two years, then nothing I say will change your mind...

I wasn't looking at any narrative and certainly don't look to politicians for narrative. What do the numbers tell us? Well, back of the fag packet calculations tell me that if you are unvaccinated there is a 30-40 times greater chance of contracting COVID and ending up in hospital, based on the numbers quoted in that article. Seems like a good thing nearly 95% of WA is vaccinated.

I also find the WA CHO's letter outlining his recommendations for applying restrictions pre and post border opening to be clear and logical. Seems like things are turning out as projected or better.

https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2..._HA_190122.pdf

You can object to the manner in which the outcome is reached however my point was really the outcome.

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MLKNWL 28th Jun 2022 09:27

Hope other countries could open their border soon, such as China, otherwise, economics will be a problem. also, slow down the development of the aviation industry.

Eclan 19th Oct 2022 13:38


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
That seems to imply that only those that were put on leave with exemptions will be welcomed back, not those that chose not to be vaccinated.

Everyone. Discrimination on medical status is not allowed. Well, not unless the gov and courts think it's okay just this time. Anyone here see the irony and the cause for concern in that? Probably not.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
Hope that's just a raz up, good luck if you get sick of anything, or are you maintaining your Aussie citizenship so you can evac back to safety on our taxes when your expedition goes awry?

Jesus, man, he only moved not long ago and I'm sure before that he had a lifetime of paying taxes, maybe even more than you, so I think we can allow him a little leeway. I'd rather pay his way back home than the filth the ALP have, on our behalf, recently deemed welcome back in this country from Syria.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
There are downsides to the third world you know, like random cities there being held by Islamic extremists etc... hope that's better than not being able to go to a pub, however not sure where that is in Australia at present.

Cities held by islamic extremist? Entire cities? Are you talking about the Phillipines or Afghanistan?


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
I went to the pub yesterday for a meal and drink, sans mask. I also enjoyed my drink without the threat of a terrorist bombing me or being taken hostage for being foreign looking to be used as a bargaining chip.

You missed the Lindt seige but I suppose that was relatively small-scale (unless you were one of the dead). But I get your point, not as much terrorism here. Yet. Here's a list so far:

Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
I didn't even think of Covid while enjoying my meal

It's disturbing that you even need to mention that and smacks of Stockholm Syndrome which is alive and well especially down there in Victoria where the dictator will likely be voted back in soon.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11198745)
I don't think there's even a place I eat/drink at in Melbourne or Sydney where I even worry about my wallet being stolen.

Not yet but it's coming. The next generation will be dealing with it though and cursing some of the decisions of this and earlier gens.

43Inches 19th Oct 2022 22:32


Cities held by islamic extremist? Entire cities? Are you talking about the Phillipines or Afghanistan?
Suggest you read the news more and look up what happened in Marawi in the Phillipines before posting. Then there's just the murders and killings committed by the government to curb the drug problems, or opposition parties, depending on who you talk to.


You missed the Lindt seige but I suppose that was relatively small-scale (unless you were one of the dead). But I get your point, not as much terrorism here. Yet. Here's a list so far:
Sieges by mentally disturbed individuals happen everywhere, these are terrorist attacks in name only with very low death tolls which don't exceed the average domestic dispute siege, more people are dying in GA aircraft accidents in Australia than actual terrorist events. Mass killings via bombs and shootings don't happen in Australia, again shows you have very limited experience outside of this country.


Not yet but it's coming. The next generation will be dealing with it though and cursing some of the decisions of this and earlier gens.
By the time that happens it will be open gang warfare in the UK and US, we will still be better off. Demographics here just don't reflect why these are issues overseas, despite the sensationalism.


It's disturbing that you even need to mention that and smacks of Stockholm Syndrome which is alive and well especially down there in Victoria where the dictator will likely be voted back in soon.
Not sure why you are dredging Covid back up again when we are pretty much back to normal here.

My point still stands though, if you want to leave Australia, go for it, I'm not going to stop anyone, or even dissuade them. Just make sure you hand in your passports and don't cry for help from the Aussie consulate when your new homeland does something that is really draconian and you want a free pass home. I really want my taxes to fix my roads and provide infrastructure I can use, not fund somebody elses follies that wants to avoid paying tax by living o/s for a few years, there's already enough wasted with government.

PS I'll still go and spend 6 months in Euroland for holidays, nothing wrong with that, but I'll still pay taxes at home here.

Eclan 20th Oct 2022 03:38


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11316266)
Suggest you read the news more and look up what happened in Marawi in the Phillipines before posting. Then there's just the murders and killings committed by the government to curb the drug problems, or opposition parties, depending on who you talk to.

Well, you said cities - plural - are held by terrorists. I asked because I wanted to know if you believe this is or were just being sensationalist or even just making up stuff. Yes a city was fought over, it's not great but no cities there are "held by terrorists." I'm sure Chris is staying in a nice area of which there are many and not worried about having his head removed. It's a bit melodramatic to suggest he'll end up whacked just by living in a nice area of that country.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11316266)
Sieges by mentally disturbed individuals happen everywhere, these are terrorist attacks in name only with very low death tolls which don't exceed the average domestic dispute siege, more people are dying in GA aircraft accidents in Australia than actual terrorist events. Mass killings via bombs and shootings don't happen in Australia, again shows you have very limited experience outside of this country.

You appear to have missed the point or misinterpreted it as sarcasm.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11316266)
My point still stands though, if you want to leave Australia, go for it, I'm not going to stop anyone, or even dissuade them. Just make sure you hand in your passports and don't cry for help from the Aussie consulate when your new homeland does something that is really draconian and you want a free pass home. I really want my taxes to fix my roads and provide infrastructure I can use, not fund somebody elses follies that wants to avoid paying tax by living o/s for a few years, there's already enough wasted with government.

Well, no, your point on that never did stand I'm afraid. You already did try to dissuade him with fear-mongering over terror and getting sick. I doubt Chris needs a nanny. He's already paid his taxes and is welcome to retire wherever he wants, without your approval. Demanding he hand in his passport is a cheap, silly and emotionally-ignorant shot to take. He's paid his taxes and is entitled to all the wonderful benefits of this great socialist country, wherever he's living. Personally offended by it? Tough titties. I hope he milks it for all it's worth.

KAPAC 20th Oct 2022 03:48

Just to balance out the picture your painting of the selfish expat who is using up all of Australians resources while stumbling from one disaster to another while overseas .
Most expats do very well overseas , career wise , socially and financially . Never ask for any help while sending large amounts of wealth back to Australia , investing it into property and super and not a single cent of Australian tax payers money was used on them while they created this wealth . Over %5 of Australians live overseas . Many come back multi millionaires , stimulating the Australian economy by paying taxes , school fees and using private health . Not sure why you fear the expat so much ?


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