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minigundiplomat 25th Jan 2022 09:34


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 11174932)
May have change of PM this year,, but no General Election for a couple of years!! Are you saying the C19 stats and medical experts here are politically motivated in their advice to the public??

in Australia and NZ - yes. Itís been 100% politics for at least rhe last year

The The 25th Jan 2022 09:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11174909)
Before you start getting all excited and frothing at the mouth, the Premier has already stated this morning he will do 2
weeks quarantine. And in fact, he does not have to, as politicians are exempt. But he had stated he is happy to do it.

Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.

SOPS 25th Jan 2022 10:48


Originally Posted by The The (Post 11174954)
Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.

You are 100 percent correct.

Buster Hyman 25th Jan 2022 11:18

Just need NSW to introduce a short term C*ckhead quarantine rule.

WingNut60 25th Jan 2022 11:35


Originally Posted by The The (Post 11174954)
............. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.

But then, why would he do that?

NumptyAussie 25th Jan 2022 20:39


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11174996)
Just need NSW to introduce a short term C*ckhead quarantine rule.

I guess that Scott Morrison better not travel to Canberra then?
Wait, I misread your post. Morrison will be ok, he is a long term cockhead!

SHVC 25th Jan 2022 21:07

Seems ppl can’t wait to vote a bigger c**khead in.

neville_nobody 26th Jan 2022 07:10


Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.
And McGowan is benefiting from NSW's more liberal position too. If they were following his "abundance of caution" model he'd be locked up for a month, two weeks in NSW then 2 more in WA.

Square Bear 26th Jan 2022 11:27


I guess that Scott Morrison better not travel to Canberra then?
Wait, I misread your post. Morrison will be ok, he is a long term cockhead!
Perhaps those forum posters that also fit the C*ckhead mould should look at their travel plans....mmmh.

But, hey, bet there would be support for "Each Way Albo" to enter each of the Labor Fiefdoms to sprout his offer, whilst denying Morrison entry, or the Indies, or the Greens, etc etc....nice way to shut down fair democracy.

Ex FSO GRIFFO 26th Jan 2022 14:17

As long as 'Albo' is 'head honcho' of the opposition, that is where 'they' will remain OI rekkon......

Come on next election...or is that 'chinese' for my next wish from the 'good fairy'..??


SRFred 26th Jan 2022 19:15


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11175336)
And McGowan is benefiting from NSW's more liberal position too. If they were following his "abundance of caution" model he'd be locked up for a month, two weeks in NSW then 2 more in WA.

The two weeks on return to the state of Wait Awhile is correct but NSW should be enforcing the two weeks quarantine while the medical profession check to see what version of delusion he is suffering from. We wouldn't want to spread his disease in NSW and other states.

Chad Gates 26th Jan 2022 21:52

He has no intention of opening the border this year. unless I’m not interpreting this properly. Read the bit about the quarantine facilities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...tent/100783900


dr dre 27th Jan 2022 00:53


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 11175656)
He has no intention of opening the border this year. unless I’m not interpreting this properly. Read the bit about the quarantine facilities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...tent/100783900

I don't think you're interpreting it properly. Those quarantine facilities are also being built in Queensland and Victoria, and they already have one in the NT (Howard Springs), yet those places are open. These facilities are more about long term needs for quarantine in the future (to avoid what happened in this pandemic with so many Australians being kept outside the country for so long), or the accommodation of a large group of people in a facility for other purposes.

WA proposals for future entry do include quarantine on unvaccinated arrivals, so in the context of this current pandemic it may be about them and then putting them into a purpose built quarantine facility rather than hotels, whilst vaccinated travelers (hopefully soon) are not required to quarantine.

In terms of when WA will open to the vaccinated? Probably when more RATs arrive and workable close contact rules have been finalised to avoid workforce disruptions seen in the east over the last month. Meeting with mining companies to finalise those rules tomorrow and there should be 25 million RATs in the state by end of February. Other reasons like declining booster protection in the already boosted elderly and impending winter surge will require WA to be open soon, I still predict this delay to extend no more than early March, about 4 weeks from original.

Chad Gates 27th Jan 2022 01:35

I do hope youíre right doc. I just donít understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.

dr dre 27th Jan 2022 01:50


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 11175715)
I do hope you’re right doc. I just don’t understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.

It's a 500-1000 bed facility.

Unvaccinated travelers still have to do 14 days quarantine. That's only about 35-70 new people coming into the camp per day. Even now with the extreme risk to all other states there's far more entrants into the state as a whole per day.

So if they were estimating about 2000 international arrivals per day that's only about 3.5% of the estimated arrivals who could be accommodated in this facility. It could hold those who come down with symptoms inflight, or those who test positive on arrival. Or any other diseases, say another Ebola outbreak?

Given that it'll only hold 35-70 new entrants per day at maximum theoretical capacity then it isn't going to be used for the vast majority of people planned to come into the state, only the very few who need to quarantine for a specific reason. And this discounts the greater number of domestic arrivals who are now coming from a non Covid Zero locations, so essentially and practically the same level as international arrivals.

Now if they were planning on a 20-50,000 bed facility then I'd say Covid zero is the long term plan. As they aren't then a long term hard border is not the plan as far as I can see.


SHVC 27th Jan 2022 01:59

And to think the country is worried about plastic straws.

Letís waste 2 RAT kits per child per week for no benefit. If you presented to a lab for PCR test with no symptoms they would send you away.

dr dre 27th Jan 2022 03:27


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 11175715)
I do hope youíre right doc. I just donít understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.

And in addition to what I posted above I've just found this article just posted which explains those comments a bit better. States the Quarantine Facility is not going to be used for mandatory isolation once borders open. What it'll be used for is travelers who test positive and need to isolate, but don't have a place to isolate because the hotel quarantine system has been shut down.

The premier said WA had to keep its hotel quarantine system operational because once the borders reopened, there would be infected people with nowhere to isolate. He said the hotels would be needed until at least July or August when the federal governmentís Bullsbrook quarantine hub opened.

So the comments regarding the purpose built Quarantine facility aren't a long term plan for a hard border. It's simply for those who need a place to isolate once the border reopens and the hotel quarantine system has been shut down.

neville_nobody 28th Jan 2022 02:48


In terms of when WA will open to the vaccinated? Probably when more RATs arrive and workable close contact rules have been finalised to avoid workforce disruptions seen in the east over the last month. Meeting with mining companies to finalise those rules tomorrow and there should be 25 million RATs in the state by end of February. Other reasons like declining booster protection in the already boosted elderly and impending winter surge will require WA to be open soon, I still predict this delay to extend no more than early March, about 4 weeks from original.
What happened to him saying he was waiting for triple vaccination or has that been canned already because it didn't poll very well? I read the AMA have got stuck into him about the irrationality of his decision making.

dr dre 28th Jan 2022 03:22


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11176289)
What happened to him saying he was waiting for triple vaccination or has that been canned already because it didn't poll very well? I read the AMA have got stuck into him about the irrationality of his decision making.

Yeah I think the backlash was greater than he thought. Even the previously sympathetic West Australian newspaper has gotten stuck into him since last week's delay. There is some benefit to waiting to get as many people boosted as possible before allowing higher spread (assuming this current wave doesn't take off, and seeing it has hit nightclubs and festivals it probably will). So the triple dose mandate was implemented for 75% of the workforce and generally not a source of discontent, and predictions are 75% booster rate should be hit by March 2. But unlike the drive to get to 80-90% double vaxxed there now is a latest possible time they can hold off for. Late March is peak booster efficiency in the already boosted elderly, and the wave will take 6-8 weeks to pass through, so it definitely has to open up in March for it to end before winter.

cessnapete 30th Jan 2022 09:28

Puzzled from afar, while presently watching a nearly full arena at a tennis match in Victoria. Have WA identified a more deadly strain of Omicron, than other parts of Australia, that need a China style lockdown/isolation?


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