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turbantime 2nd May 2021 03:41

Confirmed once again that the general public can access these quarantine hotels for events. Wth is going on over there in WA???

WingNut60 2nd May 2021 03:46


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 11037216)
How many WA is taking is irrelevant.

Then would you mind telling your mates to stop using it as part of your argument.

WingNut60 2nd May 2021 03:48


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11037219)
Confirmed once again that the general public can access these quarantine hotels for events. Wth is going on over there in WA???

More details please. Don't know anything about that.
But importantly, has it lead to any outbreaks?

SandyPalms 2nd May 2021 03:58


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11037220)
Then would you mind telling your mates to stop using it as part of your argument.

Get knotted DH, they are not my mates, nor is it my argument.

SandyPalms 2nd May 2021 04:00


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11037218)
Listening to a bunch of conservative boomers is hardly the litmus test needed to form any kind of public opinion consensus on WAís Covid policies.

The point being that for the last 12 months, the comments had been largely supportive. That has changed.

turbantime 2nd May 2021 04:39


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11037222)
More details please. Don't know anything about that.
But importantly, has it lead to any outbreaks?

One can go to high tea at the pan pacific hotel, or host a wedding/formal at another quarantine hotel.
No outbreak yet but where is the risk management around that? Even the AMA advised against general public access to quarantine hotels. No other state does this, yet another hole in the cheese IMO.

WingNut60 2nd May 2021 05:23


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 11037224)
Get knotted DH, they are not my mates, nor is it my argument.

That it has been trotted out repeatedly in the posts above and incessantly by Beryl, the Propaganda Queen, is most certainly relevant.
But then, if you're silly enough to swoon after her then you're capable of believing anything.

WingNut60 2nd May 2021 05:31


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11037233)
One can go to high tea at the pan pacific hotel, or host a wedding/formal at another quarantine hotel.
No outbreak yet but where is the risk management around that? Even the AMA advised against general public access to quarantine hotels. No other state does this, yet another hole in the cheese IMO.

Yes, dual-use would certainly seem to pose an additional risk, whether problems have arisen from it or not.
The alternative being that quarantine hotels not be accessible for any other non-quarantine related purposes, not just restricted with regard grand events.
Are you sure that's what's happening in all other states?

SOPS 2nd May 2021 13:58

Great news . We have a Pakistani sailer on the run in QLD. We have his Syrian crew mates asking for asylum. More pressure on the HQ service, less Australians to be allowed home.

an.other 2nd May 2021 20:10


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11033926)
Repatriate Australians from Covid19 hotspots around the world including Third world countries with no possibility of pre departure quarantine and/or dodgy screening or testing. A non - zero percentage will be infected.

Use airliners for repatriation. Cram infected and non infected people and crews in an aluminium tube for 20+ hours.

On arrival, assume none of the crews and passengers are infected with Covid19.

Transport passengers, assumed to be uninfected mind you, to central city hotels that are not purpose built quarantine facilities and inform them they must stay there for 14 days.

Tend to the passengers needs - food, cleaning, laundry, etc. in the hotels using normal hotel staff and procedures - the staff go home to their families every night.

What could possibly go wrong?

That's literally your right as an Australian.

This is the Feds essentially admitting they can't deliver the most basic of rights to citizens, which is unique in the world.

I'm in a really unusual position, having visited Europe for work during the pandemic, visiting London and Berlin. I hate to break it, but life in those places ain't so different, people seem to imagine zombies in the street or something, not so! In London you need to order food or drinks via an app at your table, which was mostly outside, in Berlin masks were being aggressively enforced and you must scan in at bars. I was issued with N95 masks to use and constantly used alcohol hand cleaner.

Coming back was really stressful, but quarantine was fine, I brought a lot of disinfectant wipes with me to clean the room down and some fabric disinfectant spray for the bed, my biggest thing was not having enough coffee lol.

It was very confronting, watching people just getting on with their lives in Europe, compared to the cowering fear of people in hazmat suits here. I'm not sure which is the healthier state of mind.

Australopithecus 2nd May 2021 20:54

You have an intriguing question there about healthier state of mind. To which most would point to the healthier state of everything else.

WingNut60 2nd May 2021 21:54


Originally Posted by an.other (Post 11037621)
......... I hate to break it, but life in those places ain't so different, people seem to imagine zombies in the street or something, not so!
It was very confronting, watching people just getting on with their lives in Europe, ............................

Did you visit any funerals while you were there? You might want to also factor in the 83,000 + who have died from Covid in Germany.

Climb150 2nd May 2021 22:23


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11037653)
Did you visit any funerals while you were there? You might want to also factor in the 83,000 + who have died from Covid in Germany.

So 0.1% of the population? Run and hide the zombies are coming

StudentInDebt 2nd May 2021 23:16


I'm in a really unusual position, having visited Europe for work during the pandemic, visiting London and Berlin. I hate to break it, but life in those places ain't so different, people seem to imagine zombies in the street or something, not so! In London you need to order food or drinks via an app at your table, which was mostly outside, in Berlin masks were being aggressively enforced and you must scan in at bars. I was issued with N95 masks to use and constantly used alcohol hand cleaner.
Your view of life in Europe may have been coloured by the period of the pandemic measures you were present for. There has been a stay at home order in England for the last 5 months, restaurants could offer a click and collect service only with no alcohol permitted to be served. This was after their government lifted their restrictions over the summer of 2020, encouraged a ďnormalĒ life and sparked a second wave that gave them the highest death rate per capita in the world in January and brought their healthcare to the edge of collapse - the primary danger of COVID at the macro level. The lockdown measures in place from January reversed that and now the UK is on a good path to recovery thanks to their vaccine rollout.

ScepticalOptomist 3rd May 2021 00:42


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 11037662)
So 0.1% of the population? Run and hide the zombies are coming

This has been the problem all along - people just see numbers with no context and allow themselves to be suckered in by fear mongering.

80,000 lives lost is sad for sure, but context is everything. I acknowledge CV has killed people in large numbers, I just donít buy the mass fear campaign.

Australopithecus 3rd May 2021 01:15


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11037699)
This has been the problem all along - people just see numbers with no context and allow themselves to be suckered in by fear mongering.

80,000 lives lost is sad for sure, but context is everything. I acknowledge CV has killed people in large numbers, I just donít buy the mass fear campaign.

But you do agree that so far only a small fraction of the population has been infected? And that the death rate is approximately 2%, and there are long term effects for perhaps 30% of the others? Extrapolate that out to a 100% infection incidence, who the hell is going to provide acute care for that many people, bury that many people and provide chronic care for that many people?

There was always going to be a race between the virus and the vaccine, and those countries that understood that have suffered fewer deaths and costs.

Tucknroll 3rd May 2021 01:19


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11037699)
This has been the problem all along - people just see numbers with no context and allow themselves to be suckered in by fear mongering.

80,000 lives lost is sad for sure, but context is everything. I acknowledge CV has killed people in large numbers, I just donít buy the mass fear campaign.

A lot of this has to do with an individualís propensity to defer to experts. Either you agree with the overwhelming professional consensus on an issue or you look for the few dissenters.

In the case of Covid, itís a bit clearer because we have examples of countries who have gone against the professional advice (Sweden, US and more recently India) and those who have adopted the most conservative approaches (Australia and NZ). I know where I would prefer to be.

Australia has fared very well through this crisis. We are coming out with a strong economy, a healthy population and a health care system which retains capacity. Domestic life is almost entirely unaffected. No wonder most people are happy with the federal and state responses to Covid.

Troo believer 3rd May 2021 03:29


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11037704)
A lot of this has to do with an individual’s propensity to defer to experts. Either you agree with the overwhelming professional consensus on an issue or you look for the few dissenters.

In the case of Covid, it’s a bit clearer because we have examples of countries who have gone against the professional advice (Sweden, US and more recently India) and those who have adopted the most conservative approaches (Australia and NZ). I know where I would prefer to be.

Australia has fared very well through this crisis. We are coming out with a strong economy, a healthy population and a health care system which retains capacity. Domestic life is almost entirely unaffected. No wonder most people are happy with the federal and state responses to Covid.

Incorrect.
New Zealand are far less conservative than Australia when it comes to crew quarantine. Yes I’ll raise this again. After all this is a pilot forum so get over it. I’ll continue to bang on about significant differences in how quarantine procedures apply between the two countries.
Australia. 14 days no exceptions outside the Tasman bubble with a negative pcr test.
New Zealand no quarantine required except if flown in from the USA (2 days and negative pcr) Asia no quarantine required.

All Australian pilots should be outraged at the disparity. Whilst overseas both countries aircrew practice the same protocols so where is the science to back up the difference? There is none. Its heavy handed bureaucratic crap. All Aussie international pilots ffs write to your local state and federal members and make some noise.

Tucknroll 3rd May 2021 03:41


Originally Posted by Troo believer (Post 11037724)
Incorrect.
New Zealand are far less conservative than Australia when it comes to crew quarantine. Yes Iíll raise this again. After all this is a pilot forum so get over it. Iíll continue to bang on about significant differences in how quarantine procedures apply between the two countries.
Australia. 14 days no exceptions outside the Tasman bubble with a negative pcr test.
New Zealand no quarantine required except if flown in from the USA (2 days and negative pcr) Asia no quarantine required.

All Australian pilots should be outraged at the disparity. Whilst overseas both countries aircrew practice the same protocols so where is the science to back up the difference? There is none. Its heavy handed bureaucratic crap. All Aussie international pilots ffs write to your local state and federal members and make some noise.

Iím not incorrect, youíre just not understanding what Iím saying. Iím talking about the treatment of Covid in the population as a whole. Iím not talking about crew quarantine. The affect of crew quarantine on borders is minimal. Itís an inconvenience to crew, thatís all. No one else cares.

Troo believer 3rd May 2021 03:59

An inconvenience. What a stupid ignorant comment. Try 3-4 months of it. Air New Zealand none.


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