Then would you mind telling your mates to stop using it as part of your argument.

More details please. Don't know anything about that.
But importantly, has it lead to any outbreaks?

Get knotted DH, they are not my mates, nor is it my argument.

The point being that for the last 12 months, the comments had been largely supportive. That has changed.

One can go to high tea at the pan pacific hotel, or host a wedding/formal at another quarantine hotel.
No outbreak yet but where is the risk management around that? Even the AMA advised against general public access to quarantine hotels. No other state does this, yet another hole in the cheese IMO.

That it has been trotted out repeatedly in the posts above and incessantly by Beryl, the Propaganda Queen, is most certainly relevant.
But then, if you're silly enough to swoon after her then you're capable of believing anything.

Yes, dual-use would certainly seem to pose an additional risk, whether problems have arisen from it or not.
The alternative being that quarantine hotels not be accessible for any other non-quarantine related purposes, not just restricted with regard grand events.
Are you sure that's what's happening in all other states?

Great news . We have a Pakistani sailer on the run in QLD. We have his Syrian crew mates asking for asylum. More pressure on the HQ service, less Australians to be allowed home.

That's literally your right as an Australian.

This is the Feds essentially admitting they can't deliver the most basic of rights to citizens, which is unique in the world.

I'm in a really unusual position, having visited Europe for work during the pandemic, visiting London and Berlin. I hate to break it, but life in those places ain't so different, people seem to imagine zombies in the street or something, not so! In London you need to order food or drinks via an app at your table, which was mostly outside, in Berlin masks were being aggressively enforced and you must scan in at bars. I was issued with N95 masks to use and constantly used alcohol hand cleaner.

Coming back was really stressful, but quarantine was fine, I brought a lot of disinfectant wipes with me to clean the room down and some fabric disinfectant spray for the bed, my biggest thing was not having enough coffee lol.

It was very confronting, watching people just getting on with their lives in Europe, compared to the cowering fear of people in hazmat suits here. I'm not sure which is the healthier state of mind.

You have an intriguing question there about healthier state of mind. To which most would point to the healthier state of everything else.

Did you visit any funerals while you were there? You might want to also factor in the 83,000 + who have died from Covid in Germany.

So 0.1% of the population? Run and hide the zombies are coming

Your view of life in Europe may have been coloured by the period of the pandemic measures you were present for. There has been a stay at home order in England for the last 5 months, restaurants could offer a click and collect service only with no alcohol permitted to be served. This was after their government lifted their restrictions over the summer of 2020, encouraged a “normal” life and sparked a second wave that gave them the highest death rate per capita in the world in January and brought their healthcare to the edge of collapse - the primary danger of COVID at the macro level. The lockdown measures in place from January reversed that and now the UK is on a good path to recovery thanks to their vaccine rollout.

This has been the problem all along - people just see numbers with no context and allow themselves to be suckered in by fear mongering.

80,000 lives lost is sad for sure, but context is everything. I acknowledge CV has killed people in large numbers, I just don’t buy the mass fear campaign.

But you do agree that so far only a small fraction of the population has been infected? And that the death rate is approximately 2%, and there are long term effects for perhaps 30% of the others? Extrapolate that out to a 100% infection incidence, who the hell is going to provide acute care for that many people, bury that many people and provide chronic care for that many people?

There was always going to be a race between the virus and the vaccine, and those countries that understood that have suffered fewer deaths and costs.

A lot of this has to do with an individual’s propensity to defer to experts. Either you agree with the overwhelming professional consensus on an issue or you look for the few dissenters.

In the case of Covid, it’s a bit clearer because we have examples of countries who have gone against the professional advice (Sweden, US and more recently India) and those who have adopted the most conservative approaches (Australia and NZ). I know where I would prefer to be.

Australia has fared very well through this crisis. We are coming out with a strong economy, a healthy population and a health care system which retains capacity. Domestic life is almost entirely unaffected. No wonder most people are happy with the federal and state responses to Covid.

Incorrect.
New Zealand are far less conservative than Australia when it comes to crew quarantine. Yes I’ll raise this again. After all this is a pilot forum so get over it. I’ll continue to bang on about significant differences in how quarantine procedures apply between the two countries.
Australia. 14 days no exceptions outside the Tasman bubble with a negative pcr test.
New Zealand no quarantine required except if flown in from the USA (2 days and negative pcr) Asia no quarantine required.

All Australian pilots should be outraged at the disparity. Whilst overseas both countries aircrew practice the same protocols so where is the science to back up the difference? There is none. Its heavy handed bureaucratic crap. All Aussie international pilots ffs write to your local state and federal members and make some noise.

I’m not incorrect, you’re just not understanding what I’m saying. I’m talking about the treatment of Covid in the population as a whole. I’m not talking about crew quarantine. The affect of crew quarantine on borders is minimal. It’s an inconvenience to crew, that’s all. No one else cares.

An inconvenience. What a stupid ignorant comment. Try 3-4 months of it. Air New Zealand none.

stupid is thinking spending PAID time in quarantine is something to whine about. Don’t like it? Don’t do it. Plenty of work available cleaning toilets with me on minimum wage champ.