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SOPS 7th Apr 2020 02:44

Until a vaccine is found, I don’t think anything will be ‘ bouncing back’ anytime soon.

t_cas 7th Apr 2020 05:27


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10742062)


Leisure to Bali will bounce back almost instantly. I would even expect extra flights put on to Bali this Christmas. I reckon you could fill a Orange Liner out of Wagga full of Bogans for weeks once it’s over.

USA is going to be up the $hitter big time for the next 24 months.

The Bali and traditional overseas hotspots for getaways, will be substituted by domestic travel.

International restrictions will be in place long after state border controls are relaxed.

Who in their right mind would travel to Indonesia or the USA for that matter, until a vaccine is available. Travel insurance will wipe its hands of any COVID-19 related claims.

Domestic Australia aviation will recover and in itself light the fire under the domestic travel economy and its related and reliant industries, together with business travel domestically.

That may be the savior for Australia.

Turnleft080 7th Apr 2020 05:49


Viruses come and go. Note the graphs about June 1. By the time you find a vaccine in 18 months, covid-20 will be out
then that will take another 18 months for a vaccine. So it goes.

IsDon01 7th Apr 2020 07:34


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10742133)
https://youtu.be/KWH5g4LIftA

Viruses come and go. Note the graphs about June 1. By the time you find a vaccine in 18 months, covid-20 will be out
then that will take another 18 months for a vaccine. So it goes.

Or the world could just demand that China close all of its wet markets.

Force them to stop eating weird sh1t.

Educate the mindless Chinese masses that powdered tiger’s penis does not put lead into your tiny pencil.

Problem solved!


Turnleft080 7th Apr 2020 08:09

IsDon01 totally agree. Can we skip the depression in the 20/30s and the war in the early 40s just go straight to the 50s
where we manufactured in this country and bought in this country.

dr dre 7th Apr 2020 12:25


Originally Posted by IsDon01 (Post 10742199)
Or the world could just demand that China close all of its wet markets.

Force them to stop eating weird sh1t.

Educate the mindless Chinese masses that powdered tiger’s penis does not put lead into your tiny pencil.

Problem solved!


No actually the problem won’t be just “solved”.

Some new research (don’t forget this disease is still only a few months old) has indicated the wet markets may not have been the source of the virus. And the developing Chinese wet markets (basically a farmer’s market) have quite low rates of microbial illness compared to other developing nations indicating higher hygiene standards.

It doesn’t matter really, because viruses will find a way to develop and replicate in any place.

H1N1 originated in Mexico
The 1918 epidemic originated in the US

Viruses and communicable diseases originate all over the world in a variety of ways, a new illness was always bound to originate from somewhere, a lot of documentation has been around for years warning another large pandemic event was bound to happen sooner or later, wet market or no wet market. As it was said in Jurassic Park “life (Or RNA wrapped in a protein) finds a way....”

The key will be for a better public health response, stockpiling of preventative equipment, sanitary products, testing kits en mass ala what some Asian nations like South Korea have done. Hopefully more western nations will follow suit now they have experience in a modern pandemic. Maybe we need to adjust our nation’s defences accordingly against the real threats we face.

Turnleft080 7th Apr 2020 12:47

The key will be for a better public health response, stockpiling of preventative equipment, sanitary products, testing kits en mass ala what some Asian nations like South Korea have done. Hopefully more western nations will follow suit now they have experience in a modern pandemic. Maybe we need to adjust our nation’s defences accordingly against the real threats we face.

Forgot one more thing. Western nations need to start eating properly, stop eating crap food or else your gut will give you any disease you like.

maggot 7th Apr 2020 22:57


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10742133)
https://youtu.be/KWH5g4LIftA

Viruses come and go. Note the graphs about June 1. By the time you find a vaccine in 18 months, covid-20 will be out
then that will take another 18 months for a vaccine. So it goes.

I would hope once they nail down a corona vaccine, producing the next would be more routine - similar to the annual flu shots perhaps.

OnceBitten 7th Apr 2020 23:10


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10742492)
No actually the problem won’t be just “solved”.

Some new research (don’t forget this disease is still only a few months old) has indicated the wet markets may not have been the source of the virus. And the developing Chinese wet markets (basically a farmer’s market) have quite low rates of microbial illness compared to other developing nations indicating higher hygiene standards.

Research sponsored by your friendly Chinese Government. :rolleyes:

Lookleft 7th Apr 2020 23:24

The 1918 epidemic originated in the US[/QUOTE]


Thats one hypothesis but it is not established fact.


In addition, the haemagglutinin glycoproteins of the virus suggest that it was around far prior to 1918 and other studies suggest that the reassortment of the H1N1 virus likely occurred in or around 1915.[23]
and frome the same open source encyclopedia


Hannoun considered several alternative hypotheses of origin, such as Spain, Kansas, and Brest, as being possible, but not likely.[31] Political scientist Andrew Price-Smith published data from the Austrian archives suggesting the influenza began in Austria in early 1917.[34]
[QUOTE]

dr dre 8th Apr 2020 05:34


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10743090)

Thats one hypothesis but it is not established fact.

So you’re saying the 1918 influenza could’ve originated in the US, Spain, France or Austria?

Still makes my point valid, viruses can form in any country, even western ones.


Research sponsored by your friendly Chinese Government
Nope just someone who doesn’t have an axe to grind against China. Twiggy Forrest doesn’t either, he went to the Chinese consulate when the outbreak first occurred and recorded a statement of sympathy and support for the Chinese. In return he was able to source 3 A330’s worth of medical supplies for Australia ahead of other countries who were willing to pay more. That’s called good leadership. I guess you can get a good dopamine fix by calling the Chinese disease creating scum on the Internet, they probably won’t be as willing to help us out however.

dr dre 8th Apr 2020 07:21


Originally Posted by angryrat (Post 10743316)
Twiggy going to the country’s consulate that had a significant part in making him a billionaire and offering sympathy... ha ha of course he has no axe to grind.

And I’m sure any patients hooked up to the ventilators, medical workers using the masks, people aware of their status due to the testing kits will have no axe to grind against the Chinese as well.

Lookleft 8th Apr 2020 07:36


So you’re saying the 1918 influenza could’ve originated in the US, Spain, France or Austria?
No I am not saying anything of the sort, the online open source encyclopedia was.



Still makes my point valid, viruses can form in any country, even western ones.
No it doesn't because you simply stated that

The 1918 epidemic originated in the US

Derfred 8th Apr 2020 09:47


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10743363)
And I’m sure any patients hooked up to the ventilators, medical workers using the masks, people aware of their status due to the testing kits will have no axe to grind against the Chinese as well.

I’ve just read that QF are now flying daily A330’s to Shanghai with belly freight only, taking 30T of fresh produce Northbound, and 30T of medical supplies Southbound. We need them and they need us.

I think Twiggy is one of the few billionaires with a heart of gold.

PoppaJo 11th Apr 2020 05:58

Few articles stating they are seeking to offload its Vietnam stake to Vietnam Airlines. Claims are Vietnam will then shrink or close it down.

Sell the Japanese offshoot to JAL so they can then integrate its newly formed long haul loco.

Singapore might be too much of a save face situation so could hold. Apparently it’s key in feeding QF Singapore traffic, regardless of it losing tens if millions a year.

Toruk Macto 11th Apr 2020 06:29

Offload means give it away for nothing . If your a shareholder of a airline in another country what else can you do ?

PoppaJo 11th Apr 2020 07:11

Loss making ventures in Asia that lease small fleets of 10-20 aircraft are only worth the slots they own. Possibly some terminal gates and engineers if in short supply. Some used to take them just for Pilots also, but not at the moment.




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