KordaMentha must be mad that they missed out on another mother load...https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/censored.gif The administrators need more time and information to assess the post COVID - 19 aviation market. If a rapid improvement is likely then restructuring into a smaller going concern is likely to be the preferred option where as long term stagnation would mean winding up or taking the best offer they could get in the circumstances. |
Originally Posted by normanton
(Post 10757573)
Hard to believe what he says when they drop in the word "leaner".
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Originally Posted by wondrousbitofrough
(Post 10757532)
Paragraph377 what's your employment history? Ever employed by Virgin?
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Well PS and Co looked pretty happy with themself at that conference today. They’re either telling porkies that no will will be made redundant or they do have a legitimate buyer/s coming along. Either way I bet Allan Joyce and Co will be sleeping in the war rooms tonight planning their come back on how they can keep the new competitor at arms length.
One would think they will give the high end market away for now and tackle JetStar head on. |
Well the debt will have to be dealt with prior to a new buyer being happy with it. Question is what do you sell and what can you hand out as haircuts to the Bond Holders and Lenders? Also I thought that they had stood down most of the workers so they aren't paying a lot of them so there is no need to make anyone redundant at this point. Whichever way the business will be slimmed down and lean is the approach so there will be less jobs there it seems. Sad to watch in the circumstances. Looks like they are not the only ones right now with Norwegian, South African and it looks like Atlantic all looking for saviors.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 10757719)
Well PS and Co looked pretty happy with themself at that conference today. They’re either telling porkies that no will will be made redundant or they do have a legitimate buyer/s coming along. Either way I bet Allan Joyce and Co will be sleeping in the war rooms tonight planning their come back on how they can keep the new competitor at arms length.
One would think they will give the high end market away for now and tackle JetStar head on. All the failed billionaires will be out and about right about now raising their profile and wasting time pushing their ego. The serious contenders, if there is any, and it would be Virgin going to them and fighting for itself, will come to light near the end of the process. Which will be July or August. Nathan Tinkler Airlines anyone? Yep. Out they come. |
I’m not sure why Virgin X would bother coming back as a LCC against Jetstar when if there is a buyer out there they are going to get an airline all set up for the normal yield at a fire sale price with cheaper leases. The only thing they might change is the seat pitch at the back of the plane.
it could go many ways but I reckon this is the worst outcome for Qantas. |
I’m not sure why they ensured no redundancy either but anything is possible, maybe a stand down for a few years and recalled as needed.
330 has been mentioned but what about the ATR also, such a small fleet at high operating cost. |
Administrators must convene the first creditors meeting within 8 days of their appointment. Convening period goes for 20 days after that meeting, then the second creditors meeting must be held no later than 5 days after the end of that period. Then they get to make the decision - finish the admin, wind it up, or execute a deed of company arrangement, or something else. Creditors call. S436 through 439 of the Corporations Act refers. So more news in about 33 days.
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So Virgin goes into administration and people are saying this is the best thing that could happen and Qantas must be scared?
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Shovel...........well said!
Sorry to hear of your own circumstances. Your health is your wealth! |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 10757807)
So Virgin goes into administration and people are saying this is the best thing that could happen and Qantas must be scared?
Hopefully VA is an Ansett Mk II, but a bit bigger and successful of course! Trying to take on QF was what got it into this mess in the first place. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 10757781)
I’m not sure why they ensured no redundancy either but anything is possible, maybe a stand down for a few years and recalled as needed.
330 has been mentioned but what about the ATR also, such a small fleet at high operating cost. |
Can you be a failed Billionaire ??
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 10757807)
So Virgin goes into administration and people are saying this is the best thing that could happen and Qantas must be scared?
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Ansett MKII was actually a decent business model, built around the A320's. It's a shame that two opportunists didn't really plan for it to succeed.
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People on here seem to forget that borders are still closed except for essential travel.
Public confidence and demand will be weak if at all! There's no switch to flick and "she'll be right mate". The game and playing field has changed. It's uncharered waters and nobody knows how this will play out! The only certainty is uncertainty! |
Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE
(Post 10757817)
Agreed. My prediction is that virgin come out of this with a 15-20% market share and are a permanent minority player, JetBlue style business. Leaning the business was PS’ plan anyway, voluntary administration will at least make that possible, if a buyer can be found.
Hopefully VA is an Ansett Mk II, but a bit bigger and successful of course! Trying to take on QF was what got it into this mess in the first place. You can lean this business to the bone, but until the market returns or somebody with BILLIONS to burn comes along, administration is the only harbour from creditors. When the rebound occurs, QF are not going to shudder. They already have 60% of the market, and that was always their line in the sand. I suspect after this, the next line will be far lower and how many investors want to be marginalised in a market where the return on investment is so low... |
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 10757835)
Ansett MKII was actually a decent business model, built around the A320's. It's a shame that two opportunists didn't really plan for it to succeed.
Spot on Buster! Most people in this game never made the connection but it was such a good business model that it reappeared in 2004 as Jetstar Domestic. And it was no coincidence that there were a number of ex-Ansett execs involved in making it fly for Qantas (can you guess just one?) Is there anyone out there who was involved who would care to describe how that plan arose and was sold within QF, it would be very interesting and timely :ok: |
Ansett MKII was actually a decent business model, built around the A320's. It's a shame that two opportunists didn't really plan for it to succeed. |
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