Aus weather may not get the snow and ice issues experienced overseas however some of the worst storms I have seen have been around Brissy.
My airline is limited to 50 knots for any operations so any forecast beyond that is irrelevant. The difference between the US (and I assume Europe) and Aus is the lack of dispatch support provided to pilots down under and the remote location of many airports with little offering in the way of a plan b. Flying in the US is constant handholding with big brother watching your every move in real time along with a HUGE number of options in case the destination turns to worms. Its a great system and makes for a generally enjoyable day out. But I take my hat off to pilots in oz, I think its a challenging place to keep the wagon on the rails, on time and safe. |
Originally Posted by 73qanda
(Post 10684796)
Sounds like a sensible option to me.
Boeing says So if the ATIS is broadcasting ‘W/S on all runways, Taxiway B1 closed due flooding’ and some aircraft are going around ( as was the case), is that not confirmation of wind shear? The show carries on and passengers get safely to their destination, until they don’t. I don’t think anyone could fault you if you tootled off to your alternate. I certainly wouldn’t have been landing on 16L with that wind/rain/ notam/flap combination. Boeing just issues recommendations. Not binding unless the operator adopts the recommendation. If we were to divert at the first mention of windshear it would be overkill. Severe windshear.. definitely avoid. |
There’s wind shear and there’s microburst windshear
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Originally Posted by maggot
(Post 10685610)
There’s wind shear and there’s microburst windshear
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Originally Posted by Eclan
(Post 10685614)
It's all windshear. Same set of procedures for all of it.
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There’s wind shear and there’s microburst windshear I don’t think anyone could fault you if you tootled off to your alternate. |
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no Yes Thanks for playing How's the weekend looking? Commuters dream |
GLEX 16L Wind Shear Escape will make interesting reading
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Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster
(Post 10685632)
Same risk?
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Originally Posted by Eclan
(Post 10685926)
No. But same set of procedures.
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Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 10685954)
Same set of procedures for a “Windshear Escape Manoeuvre” yes, but for all other contingency planning and decision making before and after, such as the decision to even commence the approach, or to attempt another approach - completely different.
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And for aircraft without ‘Windshear Warning Systems’, they just continued on through the mechanical turbulence and landed.
Any windshear encounters reported by departing aircraft? |
More interesting than the decision to commence approaches is the fact that lots of narrow bodies landed on 16L in heavy rain and the ATIS reporting that a taxiway was closed due flooding, I assume most/all the Boeing’s used flap 30 due to the crosswind and wind shear. All the while notams that we’ve all come to expect ( and maybe ignore) state;
H253/20 A) YSSY B) 2001152333 C) 2002292000 E) RWY 16L LOW FRICTION VALUE AVERAGE VALUE 0.24, 0.29 AND 0.31 BLW MINIMUM VALUE 0.43 LOCATED 3M EITHER SIDE OF RUNWAY CENTRELINE BTN 500M-700M FM RWY 16L START OF TAKEOFF H255/20 A) YSSY B) 2001152340 C) 2002292000 E) RWY 34R LOW FRICTION VALUE AVERAGE VALUE 0.23, 0.36 AND 0.41 0.41 BLW MINIMUM VALUE 0.43 LOCATED 3M WESTERN SIDE OF CL BTN 350M-562M FM RWY 34R START OF TAKEOFF Things are starting to stack up. I might buy shares in Sydney Airport Holdings. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10686320)
And for aircraft without ‘Windshear Warning Systems’, they just continued on through the mechanical turbulence and landed.
Any windshear encounters reported by departing aircraft? |
Lord Howe TAF, makes for some interesting bedtime reading.
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Originally Posted by Derfred
(Post 10685954)
Same set of procedures for a “Windshear Escape Manoeuvre” yes, but for all other contingency planning and decision making before and after, such as the decision to even commence the approach, or to attempt another approach - completely different. Are you a pilot or a computer?
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Originally Posted by Stationair8
(Post 10686603)
Lord Howe TAF, makes for some interesting bedtime reading.
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Originally Posted by BlackPanther
(Post 10683108)
I don't want to be labelled an apologist, but I just wanted to note to those that may be reading this that most ATC's would agree with you. There are huge limitations in our 'system' (not talking about the computer system, I mean the entire SHELL system as a whole) which cause these issues.
The actual controllers themselves work harder and more diligently than ever during these events. I mean even from a planning perspective all those years ago, who decided to put an FDRG boundary running along the TCU of the countries busiest airport? Makes it interesting when jets deviate into your airspace which you have no flight plan for. |
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