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wheels_down 15th Dec 2019 23:55

Jetstar strike threat ‘We will sell the 787s’
 
Quick peeps...agree to what Gareth wants otherwise the big sardine machines are gone!!

What a fantastic way to shift the blame of piss poor fleet and management decisions to the flight crew!

What next? ‘The A321s are going to Japan’ ‘Avalon to be closed’ ‘Muffins up by a dollar’

It would never have happened if all those pilots earning 300 grand accepted the lowest pay in the industry! Onya Gareth.


The Qantas-owned airline said in response to the strikes, they will also consider selling three of their long-haul aircraft.

The contingency planning has identified three 787-8 aircraft operated by Jetstar that are serving loss making and marginal international routes, with a final decision expected to be made in the first quarter of calendar 2020.

crosscutter 16th Dec 2019 00:01

Wasn’t that the plan anyway. Although I do like the terms “sell”. Let me guess...they’ll be “sold” just before a major maintenance check.


ScepticalOptomist 16th Dec 2019 00:31

All the 787s will go back to QF as they’re due for maintenance. Don’t fall for the BS..

Rated De 16th Dec 2019 00:59

Sure thing Gareth.

Better than any other idiot in the village you would be aware that selling what you don't own is a felony...

If this is where Fort Fumble are already at, capitulation will follow.

cLeArIcE 16th Dec 2019 01:26

thought this move would have atleast taken another few months or so. Must be getting desperate in HQ.

Ollie Onion 16th Dec 2019 01:28

Who cares, no aircraft decision will be made on the back of Pilot Pay negotiations, if these aircraft go then they were always going to.

normanton 16th Dec 2019 03:47

Destined for QF anyway.

blubak 16th Dec 2019 04:22

Loss making routes
 
How long they been losing money for??
Dont know how they can be losing money when everything is gifted,oh i forgot,the pilots are overpaid & the CEO is finding it hard to survive on 3m a year.

V-Jet 16th Dec 2019 04:32


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10640894)
How long they been losing money for??
Dont know how they can be losing money when everything is gifted,oh i forgot,the pilots are overpaid & the CEO is finding it hard to survive on 3m a year.

You can understand his position. He earns EIGHT times less than a Qantas CEO, so surely JQ staff should earn eight times less than Qantas. Stands to reason.

Its very hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see things his way. You guys are just selfish!

plainmaker 16th Dec 2019 04:47


Originally Posted by V-Jet (Post 10640898)


You can understand his position. He earns EIGHT times less than a Qantas CEO, so surely JQ staff should earn eight times less than Qantas. Stands to reason.

Its very hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see things his way. You guys are just selfish!

You cannot earn eight times less (think about it - $20 million eight times would be $160m, so Evans would be paying them to work there. He actually earns 1/8th of his boss' earnings (or 0.125).
Pedant hat off!


V-Jet 16th Dec 2019 08:00


Originally Posted by plainmaker (Post 10640903)
You cannot earn eight times less (think about it - $20 million eight times would be $160m, so Evans would be paying them to work there. He actually earns 1/8th of his boss' earnings (or 0.125).
Pedant hat off!

I think we might be arguing the same thing. My way of looking at the numbers was this. A run of the mill (some would argue a VERY run of the mill) Qantas CEO is paid (I can't bring myself to say 'earns') $24m. Poor struggling Gareth only gets $3m, 1/8th of that. Obviously you lot haven't the faintest clue about how much school fees are these days - you really should be more sympathetic. He's taller than a Qantas CEO too - suits would be more expensive. It's tough out there.

FOI 16th Dec 2019 08:50

I think you have to let the corporate remuneration argument go and focus on our station in life...,

If this is a battle being fought to make some puerile socialistic statement, I’d rather contribute to Greta’s GoFundMe page for climate change than union fees.

Get real and think adult.

Rated De 16th Dec 2019 09:33


Originally Posted by FOI (Post 10641015)
I think you have to let the corporate remuneration argument go and focus on our station in life...,

If this is a battle being fought to make some puerile socialistic statement, I’d rather contribute to Greta’s GoFundMe page for climate change than union fees.

Get real and think adult.

With a decade of low to zero real income growth, excessive levels of immigration and reduced amenity, it isn't a socialistic statement.

Ask around the C suites Australia wide, media circles not flush with QF advertising revenue and even quietly ask some of the morons in Canberra and one thing is repeated: $24 million.

industry insider 16th Dec 2019 13:01


The Qantas-owned airline said in response to the strikes, they will also consider selling three of their long-haul aircraft.
Ah yes, I bet there is a huge demand for 787s previously operated by JQ on the used market when there are already some for sale green and a 2017 30 hour model for $122m real dollars.

AerialPerspective 16th Dec 2019 13:47


Originally Posted by Rated De (Post 10640833)
Sure thing Gareth.

Better than any other idiot in the village you would be aware that selling what you don't own is a felony...

If this is where Fort Fumble are already at, capitulation will follow.

You beat me to it, all 11 have on their certificate "Owner: Qantas Airways Limited" - thus, they can't sell sh-t... as others have said, they'll go back to QF and probably replace some A330s and yes, QF will have to wear the maintenance cost.

Is it just me or is this as nonsensical as a building owner saying to the cleaners... "If you don't agree to lower wages, I'll burn the building down!!!"

FOI 16th Dec 2019 21:31


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 10641244)
You beat me to it, all 11 have on their certificate "Owner: Qantas Airways Limited" - thus, they can't sell sh-t... as others have said, they'll go back to QF and probably replace some A330s and yes, QF will have to wear the maintenance cost.

Is it just me or is this as nonsensical as a building owner saying to the cleaners... "If you don't agree to lower wages, I'll burn the building down!!!"

Jetstar Australia is a wholly owned Qantas entity and yes they can sell these planes if it makes greater economic sense.

How about we just stick to flying planes. Some of these comments are making us (as a profession) look really stupid.

Paragraph377 16th Dec 2019 22:52


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 10641244)
You beat me to it, all 11 have on their certificate "Owner: Qantas Airways Limited" - thus, they can't sell sh-t...

Yeah, don’t be too sure about that. Qantas Group has some well paid accountants running the business. For many years they have been able to shuffle assets and play with numbers to meet their own financial agenda. From QF grounding international operations to JQ threatening to sell planes, there is no length that they will not go to in their journey to halt wage increases. Wage increases for the minions equals less profits for shareholders and less bonuses for management. It is what it is. It’s a game that has been played out for many decades and a game that will be played for decades to come.

Never forget that they are willing to take a hit to the bottom line and be as vindictive as a scorned woman if it means breaking the backs of those who stand between them and their profits.

RickNRoll 17th Dec 2019 07:48


Originally Posted by plainmaker (Post 10640903)
You cannot earn eight times less (think about it - $20 million eight times would be $160m, so Evans would be paying them to work there. He actually earns 1/8th of his boss' earnings (or 0.125).
Pedant hat off!

Correct, he should have said "earns eight times fewer".

Rated De 17th Dec 2019 09:40


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 10641590)


Yeah, don’t be too sure about that. Qantas Group has some well paid accountants running the business. For many years they have been able to shuffle assets and play with numbers to meet their own financial agenda. From QF grounding international operations to JQ threatening to sell planes, there is no length that they will not go to in their journey to halt wage increases. Wage increases for the minions equals less profits for shareholders and less bonuses for management. It is what it is. It’s a game that has been played out for many decades and a game that will be played for decades to come.

Never forget that they are willing to take a hit to the bottom line and be as vindictive as a scorned woman if it means breaking the backs of those who stand between them and their profits.

Yes theoretically they can "gift" the aircraft to Jetstar.
That requires a transfer of ownership, which if not already completed would be a rather empty threat.. N'est ce Pas?

It is more than probable that Little Napoleon is running yet another proxy war against staff and that Qantas not Jetstar owns the aircraft. Mr Evans as the CEO in waiting, gets to read the script.






B772 17th Dec 2019 09:51

I find it curious that JQ has 8 flights MEL-HBA on both Sat 21 and Sun 22 Dec. Seats are available on every flight !


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