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Air New Zealand orders 8 x GEnX Boeing 787-10s
Announced this morning to replace the B777-200ERs. Options for another 12 (20 total). No surprises here. |
Originally Posted by InZed
(Post 10480264)
Announced this morning to replace the B777-200ERs. Options for another 12 (20 total). No surprises here. The A350 would of needed an incredibly sweet deal to cover the costs of a Simulator, re-training and re-tooling. As for the 777-X, I suspect we’ll look at them in the future but the -9 was just too big and too expensive as a -200 replacement while -8 is years away. |
Good news for our Kiwi cousins.
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 10480266)
Yep, as you said, no surprises there. They likely knew for quite some time but were deciding on engines. When the -TEN’s developer problems that would of sealed he deal for GE. The A350 would of needed an incredibly sweet deal to cover the costs of a Simulator re-training and re-tooling. As for the 777-X, I suspect we’ll look at them in the future but the -9 was just too big and too expensive as a -200 replacement while -8 is years away. Exactly right. Considering the contenders:
It was pretty clear along time ago that it would most likely be 787-10s or additional -9s. I would say say that this seals the deal for the 777X as the replacement for the 773. Otherwise if they thought they would go for the A350-1000 in the future, then they would have ordered the A359 as the B772 replacement. One thing missing from the announcement was a code three B789 capable of NYC-EWR. |
I hate to admit it but the A350 from all accounts is a better aircraft than the B787.
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 10480266)
The A350 would of needed an incredibly sweet deal to cover the costs of a Simulator, re-training and re-tooling.
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See Leigh and Little Napoleon, it isn't that hard after all!
In building and maintaining their narrative Fort Fumble ignore Air New Zealand, for despite Qantas' scale advantage they are deficient in leadership. |
Originally Posted by Dee Vee
(Post 10480297)
Shame, Air NZ used to put the customer first, not the beancounters.
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Originally Posted by InZed
(Post 10480274)
One thing missing from the announcement was a code three B789 capable of NYC-EWR.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the orders / options got converted to the same type as QANTAS "Project Sunrise", provided that goes to Boeing. Even if that's a 777 derivative rather than a 787. Just my $NZ0.02 ;) |
Originally Posted by InZed
(Post 10480274)
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The -9 could do Auckland - JFK though couldn’t it? Perhaps the -10 on the oceana routes for growth over the -9 and the -9s further afield? Albeit with a capacity reduction from the trippler. |
It would appear that Boeing have secured an MTOW upgrade on the 10 (perhaps the 9 too?) to give similar range performance to QFs 789s... well, at least after 2022. |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10480304)
See Leigh and Little Napoleon, it isn't that hard after all!
In building and maintaining their narrative Fort Fumble ignore Air New Zealand, for despite Qantas' scale advantage they are deficient in leadership. |
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
(Post 10480368)
The -9 could do Auckland - JFK though couldn’t it? Perhaps the -10 on the oceana routes for growth over the -9 and the -9s further afield? Albeit with a capacity reduction from the trippler. Not to mention the mythical "code 3" aircraft with reduced seating and IGW/fuel... |
Originally Posted by dragon man
(Post 10480382)
Not only are they head and shoulders better than Australia at Rugby but there national carrier is head and shoulders better than Qantas. I’m as sceptical as anyone on QF, but we need some kind of rational argument to advance our cause. Just suggesting QF sucks because someone else bought aircraft before QF, doesn’t prove anything. Keep it real. And don’t involve rugby, just a stupid argument. ✌️ |
Originally Posted by SandyPalms
(Post 10480402)
why? I’m as sceptical as anyone on QF, but we need some kind of rational argument to advance our cause. Just suggesting QF sucks because someone else bought aircraft before QF, doesn’t prove anything. Keep it real. And don’t involve rugby, just a stupid argument. ✌️ |
Oh, ok. Is that what it is. Embarrassed�� So is everything that Rated de says a piss take? Now it actually makes sense�� Great decision by ANZ. I hope QF does the same. |
The Air New Zealand investor pack can be viewed @ https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20190527/pdf/445d73s33c1w4b.pdf for those of you who are interested. What an effort. One very well run airline. ~$350m PBT (I assume). Would be interesting to see what contribution RR made to the numbers if this isn't underlying.
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Originally Posted by RubberDogPoop
(Post 10480355)
Good choice to free up -9s to replace the T7, but in no way does a -10 have a better range. This in fact was one of the drawbacks in the selection process, the -10 is essentially unable to reach the US...
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yep, another f. up by alpa about to happen.
a321's (near 767 size) flown now on a320 money. 787-9's near 772 size flown considerably cheaper. lets see how much claw back they get with the 787-10's. |
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