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Capt Fathom 24th May 2019 11:45
There is no truth in aviation... Only rumours!

Rated De 24th May 2019 12:48
Originally Posted by f1yhigh (Post 10478559)
Heard a rumour that the 747s will fly past 2020? Any truth to this?
As a rudderless ship, with Little Napoleon resplendent in full regalia at the helm it drifts ever closer to the lee shore...

An airline management more concerned with column inches on captured media outlets, scrap booking pictures of themselves saving cardboard cups and plastic on a flight to Adelaide, the 747 might be around for far longer than anybody expected.
Running an airline with a strategic vision is too much the grind for Fort Fumble, best to spend the time driving social discourse.

phone 29th May 2019 06:01
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10478608)
There is no truth in aviation... Only rumours!
can’t agree more unless it get published

ANCDU 29th May 2019 08:08
Originally Posted by crosscutter (Post 10461538)


You cannot transfer flying from one red tail to a lower cost labour red tail resulting in redundancies in the most expensive. It is a fundamental premise of the Fair Work Act.
Actually yes it can, it got close to happening around 2011 if I remember correctly. If a large number of crew hadn’t gone to other airlines on LWOP, MOU’s etc there would have been significant redundancies. This was all happening while Jetconnect went merrily on its way....be careful how much you rely on the Fair Work Act, because I am pretty sure champagne corks were popping at the campus when the election result came through.

The Green Goblin 29th May 2019 08:17
Originally Posted by ANCDU (Post 10481814)


Actually yes it can, it got close to happening around 2011 if I remember correctly. If a large number of crew hadn’t gone to other airlines on LWOP, MOU’s etc there would have been significant redundancies. This was all happening while Jetconnect went merrily on its way....be careful how much you rely on the Fair Work Act, because I am pretty sure champagne corks were popping at the campus when the election result came through.

Corks were popping at any table where the occupants were gainfully employed.

The unemployed were banking on a labor win for their champagne.

ANCDU 29th May 2019 08:27
Originally Posted by The Green Goblin (Post 10481823)



Corks were popping at any table where the occupants were gainfully employed.

The unemployed were banking on a labor win for their champagne.
i don’t disagree, but I think management were a lot happier with the result when considering their options for Industrial Relations.

crosscutter 29th May 2019 09:13
Originally Posted by ANCDU (Post 10481814)


If a large number of crew hadn’t gone to other airlines on LWOP, MOU’s etc there would have been significant redundancies. This was all happening while Jetconnect went merrily on its way....
There would have been redundancies...mostly voluntary...but if some were compulsory Jetconnect could have continued ‘merrily’ but no further growth in Jetconnect would have been possible... As per the Fairwork Act.

At the risk of flogging the dead horse...you cannot simultaneously make employees redundant in a higher cost area and recruit in the lower cost area.

So to flog the dead horse because clearly some just don’t get it... the moment a Mainline pilot was made redundant, Jetconnect growth (in this case), if any, would have to stop and the Trans Tasman flying not already crewed by Jetconnect would be crewed by Mainline. This, as per the Act, would have to continue until such time as the most junior person made redundant was reemployed. This also means any attrition in Jetconnect could not be replaced...instead the flying be returned to Mainline.

The consequences for Qantas of making a pilot redundant are far more expensive than just the wages involved. It is complicated, it has flow on effects and as we have seen QF were willing to try and walk on water to prevent it. And it has nothing to do with coming across as a good employer I can promise you.

Shipwreck00 2nd Jun 2019 00:47
And for us maintenance people, well if they have their way we wont exist unless we go and work overseas in some half baked lowly paid outfit. No one cares, not even the so called regulator who turns a blind eye to all the issues from overseas maintenance, even the ALAEA has gone quiet these days. What the public don't know might hurt them one day. What about Australian jobs for Australian jobs

wombat watcher 2nd Jun 2019 04:29
Originally Posted by Shipwreck00 (Post 10484485)
And for us maintenance people, well if they have their way we wont exist unless we go and work overseas in some half baked lowly paid outfit. No one cares, not even the so called regulator who turns a blind eye to all the issues from overseas maintenance, even the ALAEA has gone quiet these days. What the public don't know might hurt them one day. What about Australian jobs for Australian jobs

Joyce cleaned up the ALAEA and they are now neutered. What’s happened to Tony Sheldon’s TWU? Same.
Hawke got the AFAP. The cabin crew unions got themselves.
The FedSec of the the ALAEA used to be on TV as much as Karl Stefanovic but these days they have equal air time.

Shipwreck00 2nd Jun 2019 11:26
Originally Posted by wombat watcher (Post 10484535)



Joyce cleaned up the ALAEA and they are now neutered. What’s happened to Tony Sheldon’s TWU? Same.
Hawke got the AFAP. The cabin crew unions got themselves.
The FedSec of the the ALAEA used to be on TV as much as Karl Stefanovic but these days they have equal air time.
And what about CASA?


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