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Dick Smith 27th Feb 2019 04:34

The utter dishonesty of the Canberra system – MH370
 
Many will know that the Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack has proposed a legislative change in Parliament which reinforces the unique Civil Aviation Act and the words “CASA must regard the safety of air navigation as the most important consideration.”

Of course, this means that safety is more important than anything else, including cost.

If that is true, can I ask a simple question? Why isn’t the Deputy Prime Minister pushing for the search to be reinstated for MH370?

You got it! Because the powers that be have decided that the extra cost is more important than the extra safety they may gained by finding out what actually happened!

It is clear that not only were eight Australians killed, but Australians are flying all the time on the Boeing 777, which could have an inherent fault. Only yesterday, a Qantas pilot said to me that he does not believe in the murder/suicide theory and believes there is an airworthiness problem with the aircraft – it is tied up with an oxygen cylinder that could blow up.

Of course, we see the utter hypocrisy of Canberra – not one word from Mr Carmody (the Director of Aviation Safety) and not one word from the Deputy Prime Minister or his Chief of Staff, or his head of PR.

I have called for a small levy to be put on air tickets. Ten cents would raise $270 million from the 2.7 billion passengers, so the search could continue and the aircraft to be found. After all, small fortunes were spent in finding the African Airways 747 in the Indian Ocean and the Air France Airbus A330 in the Atlantic.

Once the flight data recorders were found, safety was improved. It is unlikely that form of accident would happen again.

Yes, I know, lots of readers here believe it was a simple (if you could call it that) murder/suicide and nothing will be learnt from finding the aircraft. However, anyone who flies, and anyone who has relatives who fly, should be very wary. There is a chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.

I ask everyone to support me in a campaign to get the search going again (this time probably in the correct area would be a good idea), find the flight data recorders, and show that we are really interested in passenger safety.

No, of course! I have suddenly realised – this won’t be paid for by general aviation. Ten cents on an air ticket could mean ten cents less profit per air ticket by the airlines, so they will completely stop this from happening.

I wonder if the Minister will stand up to the powerful and truely put safety as the most important consideration ?

ANCDU 27th Feb 2019 04:51

A Qantas pilot with extensive knowledge of B777 ! Thats an aircraft we only ever dreamed of getting near fit the last 15 years, let alone any knowledge of.

On a more serious note, I think passenger safety is foremost in every pilots mind. There has been so much money thrown at this investigation and so many theories regarding the aircraft’s fate that I believe even when it is found the truth may be a long time coming.

The B777 is one of the safest aircraft ever built, if it had a design fault, even with its oxygen system, wouldn’t the fact that it has such a long history have identified this fault, and been raised by investigators?

Hey but what what would I know, apparently they are old technology anyway!

The Banjo 27th Feb 2019 05:41

Dick,

in the time it took for you to type those words more than 8 aussies have died in car accidents/ drug overdoses/cancer/heart disease/ domestic violence/murder/suicide etc etc etc.

While very unfortunate and close to heart for us in the industry one has to step back and keep things in perspective. A death in an aircraft is no more glorious or important than the other multitude of ways one can depart planet earth.

Dick Smith 27th Feb 2019 05:45

Banjo. Sounds for a second that you actually understand “affordable safety”

Beer Baron 27th Feb 2019 06:01

So if we raise $270 million and go searching for the aircraft again and it’s not found, what then? Do we keep looking?

Should we spend a billion dollars on the search?

Is it your position that if safety is the number one consideration we should spend unlimited sums of money searching for an aircraft which could possibly have no safety benefit?

MickG0105 27th Feb 2019 06:02


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10401515)
It is clear that not only were eight Australians killed, ...

Not clear at all, actually. There were six Australians on MH370, not eight.


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10401515)
I ask everyone to support me in a campaign to get the search going again (this time probably in the correct area would be a good idea),

The correct area?! Aye, there's the rub. If you have any idea as to where exactly the 'correct area' might be that would be extraordinarily helpful.

Sunfish 27th Feb 2019 06:11

Dick is pointing out the hypocrisy of CASA claiming safety is everything when ignoring the cost imposts on the GA industry and then wailing about costs when it comes to MH370. Cost is either important or it isn’t but CASA wants it both ways.

Dick Smith 27th Feb 2019 06:21

Beer Baron. My position is that I want the CASA act to tell the truth. Despite the fact that it states that safety must be the most important consideration there are many times that CASA clearly considers that cost is clearly more important than the safety improvement that can be made.

The Deputy Prime Minister is going down a risky path supporting “ the lie”


machtuk 27th Feb 2019 07:05

I'm of the belief that a person or persons unknown knows something of vital importance to this mystery, now whether that person or persons are still alive is the $50Million dollar question cause 5 years is a looooong time to hold a secret of this magnitude & still be living!
It still amazes me that in 1969 we put 2 men on the Moon & safely brought them back with technology that a smart Phone could probably handle these days yet advance time almost 50 years with today's technology we can't locate one of the largest flying objects man has ever made?

Something doesn't add up here !!!!!

CaptainMidnight 27th Feb 2019 07:15


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10401560)
Dick is pointing out the hypocrisy of CASA claiming safety is everything when ignoring the cost imposts on the GA industry and then wailing about costs when it comes to MH370. Cost is either important or it isn’t but CASA wants it both ways.

Where has CASA been "wailing" about the cost of the MH370 search?

As far as I am aware, CASA has no involvement with the search, its the ATSB.

cattletruck 27th Feb 2019 07:27

Ultimate safety can be achieved by CASA if they invest more effort in building a time machine.

cattletruck 27th Feb 2019 07:28

Currently they have built a time wasting machine....

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 27th Feb 2019 08:55

Why should the travelling public contribute towards the search for a foreign owned and operated aircraft lost in international waters? If the Malaysians can't be bothered looking for it....?

aroa 27th Feb 2019 10:59

Having kept a file of clips from newspapers, magzines etc.for my own interest since MH 370 took a plunge, putting Amelia in No2 spot in the Great Aviation Mystery Stakes..

I would like the 'oxy bottle theorist' to tell where/ what part of the flight regime that the bottle failed in?? And with that failure what would be the initial result that would lead to bringing the a/c down.?

While there are some other end sites postulated, I think the political whackery about all that ocean being Oz responsiblity, so ATSB blew enough money/ $100mil for nought., when it was Malaysia's aircraft, mostly Chinese pax.
Finding it and closure for all would be terrific Plus the orange boxes and the data therefrom detailing the flight path 'truth'
Those that did the 'no find no fee' search be prepared to go again perhaps if cost covering was available...a la Dicks idea to raise the dosh
Seems like only the bereaved and a few others want a result, Governments have closed the doors/lost interest.

Dick Smith 27th Feb 2019 11:21

Traffic. The flying public should contribute for self interest.

There is is a small chance that the Qantas pilot is correct and there is a problem with the aircraft.

Personally I would pay $10 extra a ticket to find the real answer and get some closure on this.

tio540 27th Feb 2019 12:47

Sydney Olympics spend = A$ 6.0 Billion

NBN = A$ 60 Billion

Submarines = A$ 40 Billion

Should I keep going?

Icarus2001 27th Feb 2019 13:34

Just look at the known flight track of the aircraft after they went NINC. What failure would cause an aircraft to fly accurately along FIR boundaries and lose transponder functions?

Get real.

jimjim1 27th Feb 2019 14:10


Originally Posted by aroa (Post 10401801)
I would like the 'oxy bottle theorist' to tell where/ what part of the flight regime that the bottle failed in?? And with that failure what would be the initial result that would lead to bringing the a/c down.?

I have no theory about MH370 other than it is lost. However here is a case where an oxygen bottle exploded in flight. Flight 30 landed safely with no injuries but the damage was not insignificant.

"The hole in the fuselage – roughly in an inverted T-shape – was up to 2.01 m wide and approximately 1.52 m high, ...
the cylinder valve was found inside the cabin, having punched a hole "at least twenty centimetres in diameter" through the cabin floor"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_30

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...30_damage.jpeg

MickG0105 27th Feb 2019 21:35


Originally Posted by aroa (Post 10401801)
I would like the 'oxy bottle theorist' to tell where/ what part of the flight regime that the bottle failed in??

I'm not 'the 'oxy bottle theorist'' but if you look at the where the two crew oxygen system bottles on the B777 are located the theory is not without some merit. The hypothesised failure of an oxy bottle on MH370 would have been just after TOC about 40 minutes into the flight (on QF30 it was 55 minutes into the flight).


Originally Posted by aroa (Post 10401801)
And with that failure what would be the initial result that would lead to bringing the a/c down.?



Unlike the B747 the oxygen bottles on the B777 aren't arrayed vertically in a cargo compartment, they are stacked horizontally in the main equipment centre. Directly ahead of the bottles in the MEC is the E3 rack on which you will find, inter alia, the left AIMS cabinet and the ADIRU. Directly behind the bottles is the E1 rack on which you will find, inter alia, the left VHF XCVR, the left transponder, the left Generator Control Unit, the left Primary Flight Computer and the Audio Management Unit.

If a bottle fails in a B777 it won't simply punch a hole in the aircraft, it will almost certainly take out a stack of fairly important systems that includes items like comms and transponder.

The other big difference is that those bottles are connected to the flight crew, not the passenger, emergency oxygen system. If one fails you would expect to loose the whole system. We know that it took QF30 38 seconds to start their emergency descent after their bottle failed (35 seconds after the cabin pressure warning commenced). If there was a bottle failure on MH370 and the damage punctured the hull, when the crew donned their masks they would not have been getting oxygen. Under those circumstances a hypoxic crew would not inconceivable.

I'm not going to play hypotheticals on every aspect of the flight but suffice to say that the oxygen bottle theory is, as I've noted, not without some merit.

Dee Vee 27th Feb 2019 23:35


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 10401515)
I have called for a small levy to be put on air tickets. Ten cents would raise $270 million from the 2.7 billion passengers, so the search could continue and the aircraft to be found.

I'd happily pay $1 on every flight I take so the search can continue. It should never have been stopped, get the Ocean Infinity out there and don't stop til its found.


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