Originally Posted by V-Jet
(Post 10398140)
I just shared this epic piece in a group environment. I lost the plot and nearly choked on my martini with this gem: ’There are four skills to using a ladder. Getting on it, going up it, going down it and getting off it’ ONLY in Australia!! But working on a ladder using only one hand (because three points of contact must be maintained) is the hardest skill - yet not mentioned by the chief. |
And when you successfully complete all four ladder exercises you are awarded a certificate proving you are certified ladder operator professional.
(I just made that up, many would have already guessed that but seeing the bottom levels of intelligence that we have reached I feel I need to make that clear) Had something similar occur at my work with some dork suggesting we use the internet for all our private links because the internet is never down. There's a never ending supply of them. |
That fire chief reminds me of some of my managers... Why not just wrap the world in bubble wrap? Probably because it’s flammable... and round and round it goes... |
As much as Mr Wood made a hash of dealing with some of the unrepresentative swill. I doubt many politicians, pilots or PPrune pussies would know what to do with a fire saw or keep their **** together above 2 meters on a ladder under stress. I see the point with training. |
Time to introduce a ladder simulater.
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Originally Posted by V-Jet
(Post 10398140)
’There are four skills to using a ladder. Getting on it, going up it, going down it and getting off it’
ONLY in Australia!! |
Perhaps we could legislate to only have safe accidents in the future! |
It’s like a mining HSE policy. They will prattle on about safety being number one priority which it may we’ll be not because they give a duck about the individual, just their reputation and bottom line. i wouldn’t blame the frontline ARFFS guys and girls for this. It clearly HSE puke all over it |
It's the Work Health & Safety world we now live in. The guys at the top are now personally financially and legally exposed to work practices down through their organizations that have potential to put their employees at risk. They have a duty under the law to remove or minimise as far as practicable workplace risk. If they knowingly ignore identified risks, and someone gets hurt on the job, they could go to jail. For an occupation like Aviation Fire Fighting, where 99.9% of the time the exposure to risk is during practice (and thus can and should be controlled to a degree), it's understandable that they look to minimise it. You make a mistake and crash your aircraft during practice (in the sim) you say bugger and reset. You make a mistake in practice and fall off a 20m ladder, it's sayonara. If you can learn those same ladder skills on a 2m ladder, why would you expose your employees to the greater risk, and thus expose yourself to the legal ramifications of a forseeable and avoidable mishap? I'm not a great fan of the marshmallow OHS world we live in now, but unfortunately (or fortunately if it saves you or a loved one from injury or death) it is the world we are now all compelled to live in.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10398899)
It's the Work Health & Safety world we now live in. The guys at the top are now personally financially and legally exposed to work practices down through their organizations that have potential to put their employees at risk. They have a duty under the law to remove or minimise as far as practicable workplace risk. If they knowingly ignore identified risks, and someone gets hurt on the job, they could go to jail. For an occupation like Aviation Fire Fighting, where 99.9% of the time the exposure to risk is during practice (and thus can and should be controlled to a degree), it's understandable that they look to minimise it. You make a mistake and crash your aircraft during practice (in the sim) you say bugger and reset. You make a mistake in practice and fall off a 20m ladder, it's sayonara. If you can learn those same ladder skills on a 2m ladder, why would you expose your employees to the greater risk, and thus expose yourself to the legal ramifications of a forseeable and avoidable mishap? I'm not a great fan of the marshmallow OHS world we live in now, but unfortunately (or fortunately if it saves you or a loved one from injury or death) it is the world we are now all compelled to live in.
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Aaaand, how will we know if Calendar Boy has a head for heights?
If we carry this argument to conclusion, the SAS will never work with live ammunition, there will be no HUET for helicopter crews and most sports will be banned (croquet anyone?). |
Rather simply I see it as the best reply to the Senator is...."In order to comply with the WHS rules YOU (the gummint) introduced...our risk assesment people applied your requirements"
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The guys at the top are now personally financially and legally exposed to work practices down through their organizations that have potential to put their employees at risk. They have a duty under the law to remove or minimise as far as practicable workplace risk. |
Originally Posted by GA Driver
(Post 10398173)
There’s probably also a procedure manual documenting said skills application!! v |
Highest I ever climbed in full gear for training was the equivalent of three storeys. Put my arm through a plaster ceiling on another night and that was the end of confined spaces training. Being one of the support brigades for the AFRS at Tulla, they are definitely dependent on Tanker support from the CFA & MFB here. Without it, it doesn't matter how many ladders or saws they carry, their water is gone in seconds.
Now, as much as it sounds ridiculous, I'm more bemused by 'Senators' who a) didn't actually listen to what he said and b) were too busy making jokes for their own amusement. Those pigs at the trough are more of a joke than any PC or HS&E madness. |
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
(Post 10399070)
But airlines ask me to sign a waiver stating that I knowingly accept the risk of increased radiation in my chosen career. Health and safety is a funny old thing isn’t it... |
Originally Posted by red_dirt
(Post 10398922)
Soooo the fire they train with is pretend and can’t burn them right? |
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