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pinkpanther1 7th Jan 2019 10:33

Malindo tries a flapless takeoff, Perth
 
Just came across the following video and was pretty amazed in 2018 a crew could miss the flaps, only to be saved by the T/O config warning. Not trying to start a 'Lion Air group bashing' but how does CASA allow this to continue?

PoppaJo 7th Jan 2019 10:55

Well if AirAsia Indonesia can drive a Airbus into the drink and still be allowed to operate here then hell will freeze over before this mob is banned.

SOPS 7th Jan 2019 11:29

But the tickets are cheap, mate. Less than the cost of a taxi to the airport.. can buy more Bingtangs in Bali to guzzle in me blue singlet !! 🤮🤮🤮

double_barrel 7th Jan 2019 11:36

And to an amateur's eye, that looks like a pretty sloppy line-up at the 1st try. My instructor would rip my head off for that. Why throw away 2 a/c lengths of runway before starting your run?

wheels_down 7th Jan 2019 11:57

Where do these guys learn to dive....I mean fly.


compressor stall 7th Jan 2019 12:50

Well Batik can't get in trouble for landing long.. looks like he hit the 1000' markers or just after!

gulliBell 7th Jan 2019 13:09

That was an interesting landing, almost touched down nose wheel first. Maybe the apprentice was flying. Maybe not. Having seen an Indonesian crew get lost in the traffic pattern at an airport with a 7000' runway before nothing much surprises me any more.

maggot 7th Jan 2019 14:27


Originally Posted by double_barrel (Post 10354094)
And to an amateur's eye, that looks like a pretty sloppy line-up at the 1st try. My instructor would rip my head off for that. Why throw away 2 a/c lengths of runway before starting your run?

Yeah they should totally do the ol Aussie 737 mini back track

Ollie Onion 7th Jan 2019 20:47

I have had so many people say to me they wish Air Asia would fly within Australia as the tickets would be so much cheaper. Life is cheap I guess.

dodo whirlygig 7th Jan 2019 22:06

Interesting that he thought using reverse was necessary for such a low speed abort. Well below the Boeing recommendation for reverser stowage.

josephfeatherweight 7th Jan 2019 22:09

Dodo - Does the Rejected Takeoff checklist in a B737 specify a speed that you should USE/NOT USE reverse thrust?

machtuk 7th Jan 2019 23:03

Most pilots have made boo boo's sometime in their career but what's probably most concerning here is that there are two drivers in the cockpit & for good reasons, they both didn't pick this up? Still the system worked to break the accident chain, did they learn from this? That's another story!

Capt Fathom 7th Jan 2019 23:07

Sounded more like IDLE Reverse was selected. Also noticed the flaps coming out during the abort.

gulliBell 7th Jan 2019 23:29

I'd like to hear the announcement from the Malindo pilot to the passengers after the abort...

kingRB 7th Jan 2019 23:53

beat me to it Gullibell. Was about to say would have loved to have heard the PA. Probably didn't even make one.

*Lancer* 7th Jan 2019 23:56


Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10354113)
Where do these guys learn to dive....I mean fly.


Pretty easy to be nose low, especially carrying a bit of speed for wind. Normal approach pitch attitude with Flap 40 is 0 degrees.

Australian operators are not immune from configuration errors

dodo whirlygig 8th Jan 2019 01:34


Does the Rejected Takeoff checklist in a B737 specify a speed that you should USE/NOT USE reverse thrust?
The QRH says "apply reverse thrust up to the maximum consistent with conditions"

In this case conditions did not dictate that reverse was necessary - (i) it was a low speed reject and (ii) given the distance he had to taxi to vacate the runway stopping wasn't an issue. Throttles to idle would suffice and also minimise any possible FOD concerns.

JPJP 8th Jan 2019 03:00


Originally Posted by gulliBell (Post 10354600)
I'd like to hear the announcement from the Malindo pilot to the passengers after the abort...

I was thinking the same thing. How about - ‘Ladies and Gentlemen. We were required to discontinue the takeoff. Apologies for the short delay. We’ll have you on your way to blah blah blah in a few minutes.’ All true. Right ? 🤓

(No I haven’t. Touch wood, etc.)


Icarus2001 8th Jan 2019 03:52

Yes we all make errors but I am trying to figure out the actual points at which this error was not trapped until the technology saved their bacon...

1. Pilot forgets to set flap.
2. Take-off checklist, item missed or incorrect response.
3. Config check prior to rolling, usually at line up.

So three errors trapped by the config warning at thrust lever movement. Draw your own conclusion.


And to an amateur's eye, that looks like a pretty sloppy line-up at the 1st try. My instructor would rip my head off for that. Why throw away 2 a/c lengths of runway before starting your run?
You would need to know the company line-up allowance and policy. If the RTOW was based on say an intersection departure but they used full length then nothing is "thrown away". Not saying that this is what occurred here just explaining that it is often not simply being cavalier with the 3444 metres available to use.

VH DSJ 8th Jan 2019 04:20

Well it could have been worse; they could have completely ignored the take-off config warnings like this mob did!



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