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Pathetic
Have a look at today’s ABC news story of QF’s greatest hero pilot who seemingly and according to the sickening story saved the A380 single handedly after the engine explosion. Such a modest pilot——— not. Made my skin crawl.. Pathetic!!!! :yuk::yuk: PS. It’s in the ABC news online a fair way down the page in the “ Good news section “ |
Try flying with the guy :rolleyes:
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Would there be a “ wretched discrepancy “ between myth and reality NZ2 ? :E |
I heard this in an extract of his "book" on radio ".... Landing an A380 is a precision exercise."
Unlike landing any other modern jet transport. I turned the radio off. |
Well he does have a new 'novel' to flog!
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Is it true that his new book can be found in the fiction section? Is it also true that the unsigned copies are worth more than the signed ones? ;) |
It's an insult to the those in QF that really did make a difference
The ground and flight staff whom made up the crew for the Catalina aircraft that flew the "Double Sunrise". It takes more than a pilot to make a flight successful! |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 10345648)
I heard this in an extract of his "book" on radio ".... Landing an A380 is a precision exercise."
Unlike landing any other modern jet transport. Beautiful even |
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And here I was thinking I’d get a balanced facts only story from the ABC |
I somehow made it the whole way through QF32 a few years ago. I believe the F stood for figjam. |
One of the best, and most honest, unintentional yet clever put-downs I have ever seen was in a crew bar with a couple of crews when Discrepancy wandered in. One Capt at the table immediately piped up with the greeting 'G'day Mate! we saw your crew heading off to xxxx up the road - they'll still be there!'. Stifled laughter from around the table as the subtlety of the comment sunk in. The Capt involved genuinely hadn't meant to be 'rude' but did admit that it just 'popped out'. It was a beautiful thing to witness:)
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Ansett had a Bae 146 have all four engines roll back I remember in the 90s. No QRH procedure captain got 3 going and landed safely in Meekatharra. No book no TV show just doing his job.....but then I guess it wasn’t Qantas! |
I don't think you can equate the 146 incident with the 380. Saw from the tower a Lear recover single engine via a GCA in absolutely atrocious weather after a double engine failure due ice ingestion, managed to relight one, even though compressor damage was extensive. Just doing their job i guess, self preservation and all. You may rail about the afterwards/circus of the 380 event, but it certainly was a major, major event in terms of an airborne emergency. I've always wondered what the outcome may have been had there been only two occupants on the flight deck to handle the work load.
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Yes Megan, good point though both were effective use of all the crew at hand (senior fleet A380) and tools available, to end with the same number of landings to takeoffs.:ok: Both Widebody heavies :p
The Ansett BAE146 "rollback" incident was shown afterwards by a good, though cheesey CRM Video, while Ansett's CRM video of their Sydney B747 incident won awards. Somehow I doubt QF capable of doing likewise with this. Here's a good place to confirm / dispel events that may have occurred afterwards. I have no "horse in the race" so don't shoot the messenger: * He wasn't "Cleared to Line" until close to a year later, given it was his last sector of a final check, requiring 4 sectors? * The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him? How this bloke is now, long after the fact, I don't care too much for as it's the flights safe result and CRM points that we can learn from it, that are important. We already know the catalyst - an incorrectly bored alloy tube that split under pressure & leaked etc etc but what about an objective look into the human factors side? Happy Landings:ok: |
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
(Post 10346318)
* He wasn't "Cleared to Line" until close to a year later, given it was his last sector of a final check, requiring 4 sectors?
* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him? |
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
(Post 10346318)
* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him?
The A380 suffered a single engine failure albeit uncontained. There were four highly trained and experienced pilots onboard at the time (none on crew rest). This is a breeze compared to the A380 losing all four or even three engines! |
Originally Posted by A320ECAM
(Post 10346387)
There were four highly trained and experienced pilots onboard at the time (none on crew rest). |
Bloodyhard,
The reference to 4 highly trained pilots was deliberate I would suggest. :D |
Thanks for the replies as this is good, everyone is learning something.
No sorry I'm not confusing it with the Hudson River event, as it was talk in Singapore when I was there at the time it occurred. "The A380 suffered a single engine failure albeit uncontained." ... is quite a rubbish simplification of the whole event seriously. The disintegration of "the single engine failure" Intermediate turbine, caused multiple failures of many systems and flight controls. Fragments of the failed engine flung out, resulting in structural and systems damage. It also severed critical wiring routes, which rendered signals erroneous or devoid. "Uncontained"? I suggest you reword that. That is where the CRM story begins, after such unexpected multiple failures. Handing over... |
I don’t know the person, but at the end of the day the result was great. If we can learn something that’s great but I think it is a foolish pilot who lays scorn on a fellow pilot who got the end result we see here. I wouldn’t dare lest I be tested next week. |
Originally Posted by 73qanda
(Post 10346865)
I don’t know the person, but at the end of the day the result was great. If we can learn something that’s great but I think it is a foolish pilot who lays scorn on a fellow pilot who got the end result we see here. I wouldn’t dare lest I be tested next week. If you read the ABC news story book and other interviews you might understand a bit better. It's the vanity , self praise and impression that " I did it all by myself " that irks fellow pilots. |
It's the vanity , self praise and impression that " I did it all by myself " that irks fellow pilots. Go to the accident reports that reveal that tension and animosity on the flight deck led to incidents or worse. In my own experience, a month with a narcissistic, arrogant, superior person was enough to make one want to run away.... run away. . . at least for a few days at the end of that month. |
And here I was thinking I’d get a balanced facts only story from the ABC |
Ok, fair call fellas, all of the aboves.
That's where I get off this train then, as I don't watch or listen to any ABC "editorial" networks' diatribe. Happy landings:ok: |
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
(Post 10346575)
No sorry I'm not confusing it with the Hudson River event, as it was talk in Singapore when I was there at the time it occurred.
It was a remarkable feat of airmanship achieved by all crew on the flight deck that day, more demanding than a simple engine failure but by no means was it a miraculous outcome that any other crew placed in the same situation would have failed in. Control the aircraft after the failure, prioritise the important ECAM actions to set the aircraft up for landing, land and control the situation on the ground. It wasn’t something that has baffled investigators and mystified pilots, those pilots onboard that day simply used their professionalism, experience and knowledge to achieve a safe result. I’ve no doubt every well trained crew would’ve achieved a similar result in the same situation. |
I was chatting to an Airbus Safety investigator about this incident a few months after and he said that Airbus were a bit dismayed as to why it took so long to get the aircraft back on the ground as there were no longer runways available for them to return to but a lot of time was wasted trying to find the perfect mix of entries to the performance software to generate a result that showed they could land when in reality the fiddling with the numbers didn’t change the reality of the situation just meant lots more time spent in the air with a LAND ASAP. He also said that the crew hadn’t done anything extra special and that any average A380 crew could have recovered the aircraft safely, I got the feeling this was a bit of a dig at the QF32 Captain who was on a bit of a book tour at the time spreading the story that he pretty much single handily recovered the crippled aircraft against all odds. |
dr dre - It's quite obvious the sim rumour came later and that's where I heard it.
It was hangered in Singapore for a long time awaiting repairs; findings and payouts "at the time"... |
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
(Post 10346976)
Ok, fair call fellas, all of the aboves.
That's where I get off this train then, as I don't watch or listen to any ABC "editorial" networks' diatribe. Happy landings:ok: It was all to do with what “HE” said about the incident, his words not the reporters. if you read the story on the ABC’s web site you will understand. |
Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
(Post 10346392)
Five, actually. and whoever tried going at me about downplaying the Qantas emergency, it wasn't exactly a combination of excellent CRM, all round teamwork and flying skills like the Hudson flight! There simply is no comparison. The biggest challenge for the Qantas crew was working out if the beast was going to land and stop on the runway... and have you seen the runway length? The biggest challenge for the Hudson crew was where to put it down and keeping it in one piece! |
Do they have EMAS in Singapore? The same stuff that stopped Southwest in Burbank the other week?
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A320ECAM. Good to see you're still backing your local team, but it's not a competition.
Two aircraft bought skillfully back to earth with no fatalities. Good result all round. |
Some of the opprobrium directed towards RDC comes from https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...as-ir-war.html He went on to the front page of the Australian, shortly after the airline was shutdown during an IR dispute, and used his notoriety to throw his colleagues under a bus. This was perhaps to advance his own prospects at a management job as all pilots know the consequences of speaking to the media ‘out of school’. It was a betrayal. Interestingly, seven years later, RDC continues to enjoy those legacy conditions he railed against. |
DirectAnywhere has hit the nail on the head. When Sully landed on the Hudson and found himself an instant celebrity he used his celebrity to advance the cause of all pilots in th US by pushing for more rigorous safety standards. When RDC found himself an instant celebrity he used it to line his own pockets and threw his colleagues under a bus industrially. |
I listened to an ABC radio interview with the guy back in October perhaps. To me it was disjointed and repetitive and not good radiio. When listening I had the thought that if this was a relative of mine the way they spoke would cause me to keep a close eye on them for mental health issues.
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10347654)
DirectAnywhere has hit the nail on the head. When Sully landed on the Hudson and found himself an instant celebrity he used his celebrity to advance the cause of all pilots in th US by pushing for more rigorous safety standards. When RDC found himself an instant celebrity he used it to line his own pockets and threw his colleagues under a bus industrially. |
To those that had encountered him before the incident was he always like this? And did the incident simply exaggerate his...erm personality? |
If it is true that your man displays characteristics pointing to an excess of narcissism, an indifference to the opinions of his fellow man that are not in accord with his , a very low reading on the empathetic scale and an unshakeable self-righteousness, then how come the rigorous QF psych tests did not show "TILT"? (Or did he know someone who gave him the nod and an exemption?)
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Famous/rich family might help...
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Ru16, I think you'll find that the 146 captain in question was a total flog also
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