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RodH 28th Dec 2018 00:18

Pathetic
 
Have a look at today’s ABC news story of QF’s greatest hero pilot who seemingly and according to the sickening story saved the A380 single handedly after the engine explosion.
Such a modest pilot——— not.
Made my skin crawl..
Pathetic!!!!
:yuk::yuk:
PS. It’s in the ABC news online a fair way down the page in the “ Good news section “

NewZealand2 28th Dec 2018 00:50

Try flying with the guy :rolleyes:

blow.n.gasket 28th Dec 2018 01:09

Would there be a ď wretched discrepancy ď between myth and reality NZ2 ? :E

Icarus2001 28th Dec 2018 01:25

I heard this in an extract of his "book" on radio ".... Landing an A380 is a precision exercise."

Unlike landing any other modern jet transport.

I turned the radio off.

Capt Fathom 28th Dec 2018 01:26

Well he does have a new 'novel' to flog!

Transition Layer 28th Dec 2018 01:52

Is it true that his new book can be found in the fiction section?

Is it also true that the unsigned copies are worth more than the signed ones? ;)

Petropavlovsk 28th Dec 2018 03:37

It's an insult to the those in QF that really did make a difference
The ground and flight staff whom made up the crew for the Catalina aircraft that flew the "Double Sunrise". It takes more than a pilot to make a flight successful!

maggot 28th Dec 2018 03:49


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10345648)
I heard this in an extract of his "book" on radio ".... Landing an A380 is a precision exercise."

Unlike landing any other modern jet transport.

its the easiest by a significant margin that I've come across

Beautiful even

Buster Hyman 28th Dec 2018 11:46

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R.Cruizo 28th Dec 2018 11:47

And here I was thinking I’d get a balanced facts only story from the ABC

Flyboy1987 28th Dec 2018 22:01

I somehow made it the whole way through QF32 a few years ago. I believe the F stood for figjam.

V-Jet 28th Dec 2018 22:08

One of the best, and most honest, unintentional yet clever put-downs I have ever seen was in a crew bar with a couple of crews when Discrepancy wandered in. One Capt at the table immediately piped up with the greeting 'G'day Mate! we saw your crew heading off to xxxx up the road - they'll still be there!'. Stifled laughter from around the table as the subtlety of the comment sunk in. The Capt involved genuinely hadn't meant to be 'rude' but did admit that it just 'popped out'. It was a beautiful thing to witness:)

RU/16 28th Dec 2018 22:39

Ansett had a Bae 146 have all four engines roll back I remember in the 90s. No QRH procedure captain got 3 going and landed safely in Meekatharra. No book no TV show just doing his job.....but then I guess it wasnít Qantas!

megan 29th Dec 2018 00:08

I don't think you can equate the 146 incident with the 380. Saw from the tower a Lear recover single engine via a GCA in absolutely atrocious weather after a double engine failure due ice ingestion, managed to relight one, even though compressor damage was extensive. Just doing their job i guess, self preservation and all. You may rail about the afterwards/circus of the 380 event, but it certainly was a major, major event in terms of an airborne emergency. I've always wondered what the outcome may have been had there been only two occupants on the flight deck to handle the work load.

Chocks Away 29th Dec 2018 02:23

Yes Megan, good point though both were effective use of all the crew at hand (senior fleet A380) and tools available, to end with the same number of landings to takeoffs.:ok: Both Widebody heavies :p
The Ansett BAE146 "rollback" incident was shown afterwards by a good, though cheesey CRM Video, while Ansett's CRM video of their Sydney B747 incident won awards.
Somehow I doubt QF capable of doing likewise with this.
Here's a good place to confirm / dispel events that may have occurred afterwards. I have no "horse in the race" so don't shoot the messenger:
* He wasn't "Cleared to Line" until close to a year later, given it was his last sector of a final check, requiring 4 sectors?
* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him?

How this bloke is now, long after the fact, I don't care too much for as it's the flights safe result and CRM points that we can learn from it, that are important.
We already know the catalyst - an incorrectly bored alloy tube that split under pressure & leaked etc etc but what about an objective look into the human factors side?
Happy Landings:ok:

dr dre 29th Dec 2018 06:15


Originally Posted by Chocks Away (Post 10346318)
* He wasn't "Cleared to Line" until close to a year later, given it was his last sector of a final check, requiring 4 sectors?

It was a route check, not a final check. The three active crew were all checked to line. One training Captain was training another training captain in that role on that flight.


* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him?
No I donít believe thatís true. You may be confusing it with the Hudson River incident were investigators believed there was a chance the A320 could have glided to land at La Guardia airport but failed to achieve this in the simulator.


A320ECAM 29th Dec 2018 06:32


Originally Posted by Chocks Away (Post 10346318)
* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him?

Fake news.
The A380 suffered a single engine failure albeit uncontained. There were four highly trained and experienced pilots onboard at the time (none on crew rest). This is a breeze compared to the A380 losing all four or even three engines!

itsnotthatbloodyhard 29th Dec 2018 06:45


Originally Posted by A320ECAM (Post 10346387)


There were four highly trained and experienced pilots onboard at the time (none on crew rest).

Five, actually.

busdriver007 29th Dec 2018 06:52

Bloodyhard,
The reference to 4 highly trained pilots was deliberate I would suggest. :D

Chocks Away 29th Dec 2018 12:41

Thanks for the replies as this is good, everyone is learning something.
No sorry I'm not confusing it with the Hudson River event, as it was talk in Singapore when I was there at the time it occurred.

"The A380 suffered a single engine failure albeit uncontained." ... is quite a rubbish simplification of the whole event seriously.

The disintegration of "the single engine failure" Intermediate turbine, caused multiple failures of many systems and flight controls. Fragments of the failed engine flung out, resulting in structural and systems damage. It also severed critical wiring routes, which rendered signals erroneous or devoid. "Uncontained"? I suggest you reword that.

That is where the CRM story begins, after such unexpected multiple failures.
Handing over...


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