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What I did object to was being rostered on Christmas Day at our capital city base, which was 2 hours drive from my normal base, for a 50 mile return sector. Two passengers to be picked up from an Ansett flight at midday.

Drove the bus to Ansett pickup and checked the old fashion arrivals board. Flight number did not show on the arrivals board. Checked with the information counter only to be told that the flight was cancelled because it was Christmas Day!!

To this day, I still do not know where those two pax are.

We're still waiting for you mate. We gave up trying to contact the airline and started a trendy coffee shop................

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It has been "amazing" how much hatred is directed toward the operational staff, yet how many requests have I had for the jumpseat this week due to most of our (QF) flights being full?? You work in what department? What does that do? And yet, you still need a red ASIC?

As the role of HR and IR was interwoven into DNA, it is a study in itself whether setting work groups against each other actually adds anything to the output.
Suffice to say, a hostile work environment commences with a board edict enacted by a CEO and executive management.
That the CEO of a prominent airline in Australia earns some 590 times his FTE workers earn is outrageous and only widens the gulf between the C suite and the functioning business.
The problem for airlines with this style of Corporate model is that a dynamic people business that relies on lots of moving parts.

The late Herb Kelleher of Southwest Airlines was so adamant that respect for each other was the defining characteristic that every policy and directive was framed with respect for the individual, their role in the company and even when dealing with the less savoury elements of employee management, the framing consideration was to be of respect.

Herb was not a small man, either in stature or calibre.
As he remarked openly;

"A company is stronger if it is bound by love rather than by fear."

The pilots of Southwest thought so much of Herb Kelleher that for a watershed birthday they bought him a rather expensive motorcycle.
Contrasted to grubs like O'Leary, Cruze, Walsh or Joyce, the only motorcycle they would put the CEO on would be one with no brakes and a rather large chasm to jump.

Perhaps this whole thread can be deleted as O'Leary, Walsh, Cruze and Joyce will emerge and visit their operational staff on Christmas day, perhaps share a drink and a conversation.
Modern airline management is dysfunctional , the ever widening gap is obvious in many airlines, but just imagine were the Southwest Way (thanks Jodi Gittell) embraced how much more harmonious work would be.

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Originally Posted by Rated De (Post 10645840)

Yet, instead of breaking the cycle, you perpetuate the division with a thread slamming colleagues who happen to be in a job & location of their choosing that has a different set of conditions to yours? Curious. :confused:

And whinging about it on prune won’t achieve a single thing.

life’s to short. They have their job. We have ours . Pay your union fees and hope they maintain our conditions.

if you really feel strongly about it, leave or when the top job comes up, apply.

The executive class are doing exactly what they are paid to do. If it weren’t them, it’d be someone else.

Who shat in your stocking? I like working for a company that does nice things for its staff occasionally, like having Christmas parties for teams where they can all be in one place at the same time.

Could they do it better? Sure. Should we push for a better culture and more respect? Of course. Does the fact that it's not perfect mean we should go all Hunger Games on people we don't know? I'd hope not.

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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 10645930)

Don’t be fooled into thinking Rated De is a pilot in any part of the Qantas group. In fact they are not a pilot at all. Rated De is just an internet troll throwing stones and trying to look like a big-shot by using “we” and “Europe” to sound more important than they are.

Seems I’m not the only one who is tired of Rated De’s continuously repetitive anti management torrent :ugh:

Like I’ve said before, he’d probably be the first to buy the beers if ever he came across Alan or any of his cohort, too little of a man in real life and only a big man with big words on the Internet.

I don’t know what you think we’re all supposed to do Rated. Show up with pitchforks and torches shouting out at those who aren’t operational staff to move along and let the pilots run the airline? It’d be dead in a month, and it’d only last that long because there’s a bit of cash.

Contrary to what you would have us believe, most of them actually have critical roles which help keep the wheels turning. Do we agree with them and like everything they do? Probably not, but who are they there ultimately to impress? It’s a public company, it needs to make money.

So tell us Rated, what is the point of all your name calling and anti management rhetoric?

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Reminds me of the saying 'It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt'

Well, why do most of the worker's- operational staff- agree with most of the sentiment on this post?
Go back to the trough Management people, keep feeding.

Clearly a trolling thread then. Jet Blast or locked thanks Mods. :ok:

I believe that many, or even most, crew would be gob-smacked if they knew how just how hard people work in back offices to ensure that the show gets on the road, and how much of their own time do they sacrifice. If it weren't for the planners, bean-counters and so on, most of the malcontents here wouldn't have a job. :=

Happy Christmas!