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markfelt 17th Dec 2018 22:00

ATR 72-600 Uncommanded double engine rollback
 

Nose wheel first 18th Dec 2018 09:13

https://www.smh.com.au/national/virg...18-p50n22.html

I particularly like the part where they had to "manually re-ignite the engines before the aircraft hit the tarmac".

Auxtank 18th Dec 2018 10:39


Originally Posted by Nose wheel first (Post 10338251)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/virg...18-p50n22.html

I particularly like the part where they had to "manually re-ignite the engines before the aircraft hit the tarmac".


Yes. Me too.

PIC; "Quick as you can First, get out there with this cigarette lighter."
FO; "Which engine do you want me to do first Sir?"

Retired Mobi LAME 18th Dec 2018 17:34

Mascot Glider Squadron
 
Shades of the early service of the F50 at Ansett. The Mascot Glider Squadron was formed and the squadron motto was No Noise, No Worries.

SHVC 18th Dec 2018 18:00




PIC; "Quick as you can First, get out there with this cigarette lighter."
FO; "Which engine do you want me to do first Sir?"
Sir? I wouldn’t be so sure with that comment.

chickoroll 18th Dec 2018 21:15

Well it’s making all media outlets this event about time the traveling public are informed of the poor quality of these ATRs. I guess loosing an engine seems more important than almost loosing a tail and flying around for 5 days like FVR did!

Chadzat 18th Dec 2018 22:08

And here come the haters who have never operated an ATR in their life....

Did you say the same about the 737 after Lion Air? The A320 after Air Asia.....?

Im guessing the aircraft perhaps shouldn’t have been placed in that location due to the extreme precipitation at the time but it looks like the auto-ignition did its job and relit when it was supposed to.....more to come on this though no-doubt

belongamick 18th Dec 2018 23:37


Originally Posted by chickoroll (Post 10338838)
Well it’s making all media outlets this event about time the traveling public are informed of the poor quality of these ATRs. I guess loosing an engine seems more important than almost loosing a tail and flying around for 5 days like FVR did!

Except the systems worked exactly as they should have and re-lit the fires all by themselves. Last time I checked Pratt & Whitney made the engines, not ATR. Hmmm, I wonder what else P&W 100 series engines are fitted to....

Checklist Charlie 19th Dec 2018 00:15

The threadstarter's interpretation of what the ATSB notification actually says is quite inaccurate. It was NOT a double engine rollback, initially the right engine rolled back and was automatically restarted by the auto ignition system. At that point both engines were in operation. Later the left engine rolled back and again the auto ignition system worked as advertised and restarted the left engine. At no time was there a "double engine roll back", there were 2 seperate roll back instances. At least one engine was operating at all times.

Read the ATSB's actual words at https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2018-081/

CC

machtuk 19th Dec 2018 00:22

I think most in here get what the thread starter meant, its not worth getting excited about !
That aside whenever I see or know of heavy rain I am about to enter I push those magic buttons, I think the engineers are wondering why the buttons have such deep finger print marks on them after I fly:-):-)

patty50 19th Dec 2018 00:50


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10338684)

Sir? I wouldn’t be so sure with that comment.

Virgin ATR would surely have the highest % of female pilots of any fleet/company in the country?

Xir would like their engines back on please.

Naverick 19th Dec 2018 04:05

Selection of MAN IGN is only found in the EEC fault checklist and in the following conditions; engine flame out, icing, heavy rain etc. ATR have not to my knowledge required this action as an SOP other than for this particular fault/conditions.
Having said that, certainly no criticism leveled at the crew. It will be interesting to see though, whether selection of MAN IGN had any impact on this successful outcome.

Counter-rotation 19th Dec 2018 04:09


Virgin ATR would surely have the highest % of female pilots of any fleet/company in the country?
Irrelevant.

Flyboy1987 19th Dec 2018 06:11


Originally Posted by Counter-rotation (Post 10339011)
Irrelevant.

VA believe that the gendar of the pilot is extremely important. It’s so important that they base their cadet assessment on it.

pithblot 19th Dec 2018 08:01


Originally Posted by chickoroll (Post 10338838)
Well it’s making all media outlets this event about time the traveling public are informed of the poor quality of these ATRs. I guess loosing an engine seems more important than almost loosing a tail and flying around for 5 days like FVR did!


Nothing to do with the quality of ATRs; CASA should prohibit the loosing of any aircraft parts in public.

FedupSo 19th Dec 2018 10:48

Kudos to the crew. I’m sure your A-holes ate the seatcovers. Don’t read all the bull dust here.


AerialPerspective 20th Dec 2018 01:58


Originally Posted by Nose wheel first (Post 10338251)
https://www.smh.com.au/national/virg...18-p50n22.html

I particularly like the part where they had to "manually re-ignite the engines before the aircraft hit the tarmac".

Yes, I was amused by that... the media make no effort to get anything right... tarmac is a road material, runway, taxiway or apron are the correct terms. It was also said in TND of the Tiger turnback the other day that the aircraft was “forced” to turn back... by what??? Strong wind, a large hand??? No, neither, rather the PIC ‘elected’ to return.

BO0M 20th Dec 2018 06:01

Am I the only one who is concerned by the fact the crew put the aircraft into a position where the rain was so heavy it snuffed out the fire?

Australopithecus 20th Dec 2018 06:19

Nope. Nor am I the only one to be bemused at the semantic discussion on the severity of the ensuing sequential failures. From time to time you hear of events where good flying skills were required to save the day after bad judgment caused a problem. I hope that this isn’t one of those cases.

Capt Fathom 20th Dec 2018 07:54


Originally Posted by BO0M (Post 10339939)

Am I the only one who is concerned by the fact the crew put the aircraft into a position where the rain was so heavy it snuffed out the fire?

If only the world was so perfect!


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