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Bend alot 4th Dec 2018 07:18

Actually Morno - that is correct you need to be onshore to get Medicare they don't cover overseas doctors or hospitals.

morno 4th Dec 2018 13:10


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10327400)
Actually Morno - that is correct you need to be onshore to get Medicare they don't cover overseas doctors or hospitals.

What I mean Bend Alot, is that even as a citizen born in the country, once we’ve been overseas for 5 years as a non-tax resident, then even when we come back to Australia, we’re not eligible for Medicare until we become tax residents again.

morno

Bend alot 4th Dec 2018 22:48

It has been some years for me morno, but I do not recall having to do anything to become a resident for tax purposes again.

Ticking the box on the incoming passenger card that you intend to live in Australia for the next 12 months, may make lodging of a tax return a requirement - but I don't know.

I think you just decide to become a resident again, and that instantly makes you eligible for Medicare.

Oriana 5th Dec 2018 02:40

BENDALOT: One has to factor in a bunch of medical examinations etc etc as well. This figure is a quote from a neighbour of mine.

Bend alot 5th Dec 2018 03:53


Originally Posted by Oriana (Post 10328142)
BENDALOT: One has to factor in a bunch of medical examinations etc etc as well. This figure is a quote from a neighbour of mine.

Yep medical worked out to $1,000 USD for the missus and 2 kids. Ranges from around $150 AUD - 480 Euro for a single adult.
our docs required translations @ $1,000 AUD wont need any from the USA.

Just saying that is a High Quote and will cover more than the application for PR. It would at my guess cover the application fee, medicals, character certificates (police clearances), skills assessments, migration agents fees and airfares.

$10,000 is what is banded around for a total Partner Visa cost excluding airfares - Skilled migration is far cheaper, it is also easier and faster.

Happy to give you a few names of excellent Registered Migration Agents for your neighbour to get second quotes. FYI the RMA's need to supply their registration numbers - the first 2 digits are the year they first became registered.

fudwinkel 5th Dec 2018 06:50

Doesn't look like anyone mentioned the costs of ticking all the CASA boxes for licensing. I don't know the latest on conversions but getting those ATP subjects done and the instrument rating is expensive and time consuming. Anyone want to chime in on how overseas pilots get that completed without going broke or what assistance, if any, is offered by any operators in Oz.

Bend alot 5th Dec 2018 07:05


Originally Posted by fudwinkel (Post 10328238)
Doesn't look like anyone mentioned the costs of ticking all the CASA boxes for licensing. I don't know the latest on conversions but getting those ATP subjects done and the instrument rating is expensive and time consuming. Anyone want to chime in on how overseas pilots get that completed without going broke or what assistance, if any, is offered by any operators in Oz.

Hi Mate,

That all depends entirely on the visa type and then the contract you sign - but first is the visa type.

Some visas (with exceptions) require every cost to be paid by the employer and they can not get any part of that back ever (no bonds).

This is where it get complicated and you need the services of a good RMA - this to check the visas you can apply for cost around $230-$250 AUD (one is online) outlining conditions. If you have a contract then I expect the cost to give you the full details with the above cost to be around $500 for a good RMA.

Generally the company get RMA agencies to do visa applications - you best bet is to pay the $500 and have your RMA check it is in your favour, not the employers.

fudwinkel 5th Dec 2018 09:13

Bend
So it looks like the best bet is to ensure you have an employer lined up to assist with the visa and it will assist with all conversion costs and exams. If you don't need a visa you will probably be on your own to get everything done to be employable.

Looks like a lot of the minimums are coming down eg Qantas and Rex, but regardless of your experience you still need the CASA instrument rating and ATP subjects completed. Most foreign pilots don't appreciate what is involved.

I often have FAA qualified pilots asking me about working in Oz because they hear the stories on the alleged pilot shortage but when I explain they will need to do ATP exams that are more comparable to JAA than FAA and the potential costs of the MECIR their interest fades a lot. I don't think anyone has nominated any airlines that will sponsor pilots.

Bend alot 5th Dec 2018 10:09


Originally Posted by fudwinkel (Post 10328333)
Bend
So it looks like the best bet is to ensure you have an employer lined up to assist with the visa and it will assist with all conversion costs and exams. If you don't need a visa you will probably be on your own to get everything done to be employable.

Looks like a lot of the minimums are coming down eg Qantas and Rex, but regardless of your experience you still need the CASA instrument rating and ATP subjects completed. Most foreign pilots don't appreciate what is involved.

I often have FAA qualified pilots asking me about working in Oz because they hear the stories on the alleged pilot shortage but when I explain they will need to do ATP exams that are more comparable to JAA than FAA and the potential costs of the MECIR their interest fades a lot. I don't think anyone has nominated any airlines that will sponsor pilots.

No your best "bet" is a good RMA.

pilotchute 5th Dec 2018 10:10

Fundwinkel you are giving flawed advice. If you have a foreign ATPL (or ATP) you don't have to complete all 7 ATPL exams. You only need to do IREX and,
  • The ATPL Human Factors exam (AHUF) and
  • The ATPL overseas conversion exam (either AOSA or AOSH).

josephfeatherweight 5th Dec 2018 11:37

And ATPL Airlaw?

B772 5th Dec 2018 11:52

Bend alot. You are correct about Medicare. If you get a knock back from a Medicare office just go to a different one and leave with a temporary card ( actually a piece of thermal paper )

atr-drivr 5th Dec 2018 11:58


Originally Posted by xclozano (Post 10324963)
I’ve been to Australia many times over the years and have found Australian living standards far superior to American ones.

Wages might not be as good for pilots as they are in the US, but you guys have a better healthcare system, better education system, much more liveable cities, no mass shootings, better worker protections.

I’d like to raise a family and Australia is a much better place than America to raise kids.


How about moving out of your socialist state of CA first, then re-evaluate. If you think that Australia is “much better” then just GTFO....

oicur12.again 5th Dec 2018 17:35

Lead Balloon,

“banished to the grass.”
“panoramic view”
“One AVGAS bowser”
“One GA maintenance organization”
“Sleepy hollow G airspace”

Not really sure these things constitute third world. More likely simply responding to the small demand for GA that exists in CB

However I was more referring to the airline industry as the OP stated that was his/her intended destination.

“How about moving out of your socialist state of CA first, then re-evaluate. If you think that Australia is “much better”then just GTFO....”

You’re a real thinker aren’t you.

Lead Balloon 5th Dec 2018 19:11


More likely simply responding to the small demand for GA that exists in CB.
You’ve mixed up cause and effect.

The small demand for GA that exists in CB is caused by a combination of the delivery of a monopoly public airport into the hands of a private individual who’s charged GA tenants and users to their knees, CASA over-regulation and ASIC nonsense.

But let’s talk about how the ‘airline industry’ is treated at CB. Don’t divert there without having a briefcase full of cash or a credit card with a high limit. You’ll be blocked from pushing back until you’ve paid the ‘special’ charges for having had the temerity to divert there. There’s a description of the kinds of places in which these kinds of things happen in aviation: Third world.

At least we can all get some consolation from the fact that we’re all contributing to the owner’s continuing ascent of the Rich List.

Bend alot 5th Dec 2018 19:40


Originally Posted by B772 (Post 10328463)
Bend alot. You are correct about Medicare. If you get a knock back from a Medicare office just go to a different one and leave with a temporary card ( actually a piece of thermal paper )

I actually forgot - you also need to take in your foreign passport too. Yes thermal paper.

fudwinkel 6th Dec 2018 11:09

Pilotchute/featherweight
I was aware there were concession for the exams for ATP conversions, I did think that Airlaw was the one you had to do. However I understand Qantas group, and perhaps others, still require all exams to be completed. I did FAA CPL to CASA CPL years ago and from memory it was only Air law exam for that.

That still leaves you with the instrument rating which can be challenging for anyone who hasn't flown in Australia, hasn't flown a duchess (or whatever) for who knows how long and who may never have flown NDB approaches. That is of course unless you can find an employer willing to assist with all that.

A lot of discussion here about Medicare and cost of living etc but for the average non Australian pilot I would think the time, expense and effort to convert from FAA certificates to CASA would be the thing to look at after figuring out the visa.

Bend alot 6th Dec 2018 11:22


Originally Posted by fudwinkel (Post 10329295)

A lot of discussion here about Medicare and cost of living etc but for the average non Australian pilot I would think the time, expense and effort to convert from FAA certificates to CASA would be the thing to look at after figuring out the visa.

But I clearly said the visa will determine cost (to you) and that varies from everything to nothing then secondary will be the contract you sign.

So step 1 is what visa can/do you qualify for - after that effort and expense can be worked out.

bafanguy 17th May 2019 11:27

Is this that 457 visa that's been mentioned previously ?:

https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fix...l/jobID_552750

hoss 17th May 2019 21:02

So xclozano, what was the outcome? Are you over here yet?

All the best either way👍

tomuchwork 18th May 2019 20:47


Originally Posted by xclozano (Post 10324963)
I’ve been to Australia many times over the years and have found Australian living standards far superior to American ones.

Wages might not be as good for pilots as they are in the US, but you guys have a better healthcare system, better education system, much more liveable cities, no mass shootings, better worker protections.

I’d like to raise a family and Australia is a much better place than America to raise kids.








You got a very good point here. Was a skipper myself in Aussieland, got hired by Ansett Australia(R.I.P.) to operate their brand new CRJ's 200 back in 2000 after they bought that "bush flying" outfit Kendell(Kendall?) Airlines. Aparently only 50% of the Kendell Saab 340 drivers managed the transition to jets AND(more importantly I think) the, carefully sarcasm(^^), slightly complicated Ansett SOP. At that point Ansett hired a bunch of CRJ jockey from all around the world(had south american, US Americans, Canadians and me, as sole european, in the group). Even us they "selected" pretty well, as I had tons of hours on the CRJ(however, only 600 in Command at that time) "linetrainingselection" was still a piece of cake for me. If I remember right 7 got failed from my group alone by our Linetrainer. Easy if you know zillion times more stuff about the aircraft (especially we really used to fly the CRJ in a "proper" manner back here in Europe, No FD, many raw data approaches, visual departures out of Innsbruck, etc.) than your Linetrainer.

However, I got the feel that some Aussies actually thought they would be superior pilots(especially some Ansett and Qantas jockeys) - they werent't(of course)!

Now, around 2000 Australian Aviation was THAT desperate, they actually accepted my western european ICAO License. Never did the Aussie ATPL in over 1 1/2 years(after Sept. 11 they went belly up and this was the end to my "Australian Adventure" and I went back to Europe), even the company wanted me to do that strange(nicely said) "english examination that was supposed to be airlaw exam. I enjoyed my off day, ticked the questions without ever checking the basket full of books that we had to bring to that joke of an examination and enjoyed the rest of my off day doing nicer things like enjoying time with my wife. This happened a few times till they closed for good.

Based on my experience back in 2000 I can only assume which bs is now required to actually get a rather useless license(except for an Australian of course). As well many things in "day to day airline aviation" were very strange for a guy coming from a continent with far more traffic, slots and and and.

In a nutshell - I enjoyed my time away from aviation in Australia. The flying itself was a pain in the a.., was actually quiet happy when my contract ended by bancruptcy and I could come back to Europe.

But it is as well true that many US Americans really loved Australia. As you said, they mentioned the same, quality of life, you could walk free and safe in ANY Australian City, Education and Healthcare for EVERYONE(the big thing that is not the case in the US, but hey, a big military is of course much more important then public healthcare). I guess that is even now more true then it was back in 2000(of course you simply could come to Europe - if you qualify - as it is even better over here. Some Aussies still think that "down under" is the place to go to improve their life but they tend to forget that most likely they left in the one or 2 decades after the war, and then, indeed, Australia offered the better life quality compared to a bombed out Germany or Austria(or Eastern Europe under Russian Pressure). Things changed and now actually a lot of Australians with double passport, thanks to their parents, are actually doing the reverse move).

Not sure if you would enjoy the flying part, dealing with the aviation authority and so on. I did not.

Scooter Rassmussin 18th May 2019 23:12

Best way to open all Australian doors is marry a local girl , most are now Chinese so hopefully that’s what you like . Then you can try for Qantas or any of its subsidiary’s .
I think the opportunities in the USA at the moment would surely outweigh what’s on offer here though ,

Bend alot 19th May 2019 00:28


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 10474593)
Best way to open all Australian doors is marry a local girl , most are now Chinese so hopefully that’s what you like . Then you can try for Qantas or any of its subsidiary’s .
I think the opportunities in the USA at the moment would surely outweigh what’s on offer here though ,

The ABS’s most recent Estimated Resident Population figures show that there are 526,040 Australian residents born in China, up from 387,420 over the previous five years.

(That includes male and female)

The 2016 Census found Australia is home to more than 1.2 million people of Chinese ancestry. Of these, two in five (41 per cent) were born in China,

Since around 2000 Australia has had migration levels averaging around 150,000 places.

England and New Zealand have the highest migration levels by country of birth - England is about double that of China.

If you many a local girl to get the door to open - it will most likely be around $10,000 donation to the government. But the process of your application could take over two years, during this wait you get full working rights via the Bridging Visa A you are granted. You would have a hard time getting employment as a pilot on this temporary visa, and it would need to be Qantas domestic only as the Bridging Visa A has no travel facility - you would need to apply for a Bridging Visa B to travel.


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