Originally Posted by Square Bear
(Post 10301147)
As to QF response...I was a First Responder for some time...never ever thought myself in the same league as a Veteran, and most First Responders I interacted with would have had the same feelings. Let's not get into a contest about which vital professions are more worthy or deserving of respect, either we single out every individual group for praise or we treat all citizens equally. I'd rather the latter. |
My father was an ex-serviceman, and he’d be embarrassed by this. Don’t go down the American path, for God’s sake! |
Originally Posted by morno
(Post 10301197)
My father was an ex-serviceman, and he’d be embarrassed by this. Don’t go down the American path, for God’s sake! |
a father of a Paramedic and other family members as Doctors, Nurses and Police officers aka First Responders I truly believe that they all should be offered priority boarding after all disabled passengers. |
I think we should avoid failing to show gratitude for any particular person's contribution and sacrifice by giving ALL passengers priority boarding - that has to be the fairest solution, surely?
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So if a veteran is embarrassed and doesn’t wish to be recognised, stay seated and just walk on with everyone else. Virgin doesn’t know that you’re a veteran unless you tell them or are wearing something to identify yourself. Even if you have a small pin or something else that you wear, you can remain seated if you wish. |
Originally Posted by aussie1234
(Post 10301616)
So if a veteran is embarrassed and doesn’t wish to be recognised, stay seated and just walk on with everyone else. Virgin doesn’t know that you’re a veteran unless you tell them or are wearing something to identify yourself. Even if you have a small pin or something else that you wear, you can remain seated if you wish. You are not obliged to take up this offer , if you don't like it then just stay seated until the normal boarding call. The choice is yours , it's NOT compulsory so make your own choice. |
The whole thing stinks of American patriotism. Next thing we know Tiger will be petitioning for all residential allotments to install flagpoles. I thank all past and present veterans, nay, ADF members - but in my experience, us Australians are a tad more humble. Let businesses put their money where their mouth is - if they truly value the service of the ADF then make financial contributions to necessary and underfunded veteran welfare services rather than embarrassingly singling out veterans for the pathetic benefit of boarding an aircraft 30 people earlier.
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I would be interested in how many people in favour of this are actually past ADF members.
From my circle, about 90% of the ADF personnel I know (aged between 30 and 90) find it a bit embarrassing... yet people with no military background are all for it. Reminds me of a local stoush over pool access rules for kids under 15. The local Council has put up the age for mandatory parental/guardian supervision to "all ages below 15" citing sex predators and drowning hazards and risk management. None of the Councillors has children or grandchildren affected by the decision. None of the loudest supporting voices in the community have children affected by the decision. Reminds me also of the stoush over Part 135/121 and its approval by RAAus, Virgin and Qantas. They are in favour of these ****ty rules that don't affect them at all. Motorists all seem far more in favour of bike helmets than cyclists. Australians seem pretty good at supporting **** that doesn't affect them. |
So the ADMINO in the MEAO whose biggest risk was a paper cut gets to waltz on to the aircraft before a paramedic or a firefighter? Biggest. Joke. Ever. |
Interesting all of the commentary is along the lines of "I've never served but...", "whataboutisms" of Dr Dre or even veterans themselves with "Americanisms" all seem to immediately deride or shut this simple gesture down. Sure it could be better with cheap airfares but that is unlikely...
What we should be asking "why do our veterans not feel proud enough of their service to even identify themselves?", or "why do Australian veterans continue to feel the need to hide in anonymity?" Alot of it has to do with the continued public perpetuation of humble, stoic and silent ANZAC digger stereotype. After 19 years in the Army the only time anyone has ever gone out of their way and thanked me for my service was in a foreign country (US). It is not something I seek out or need, but like when someone compliments you, it does change your day. It also says a lot about how we look at and treat veterans in Australia. Perhaps more 'silent honoring' is the true Australian way. Maybe I will identify myself and board early, maybe I won't. The fact that I ask the question speaks to a larger cultural issue. In the future, maybe a younger serviceman or woman will accept this offer and never even ask this question to themselves. A small gesture by Virgin, but nonetheless they have at least done something, which is better than nothing. |
Yep it’s not service men and women asking for anything but something being proffered by a company to those people who have served the country. It doesn’t take away from the legitimate recognition that members of other civil organisations should get. In Australia we don’t even let poppies get tall before we cut them down. |
What we should be asking "why do our veterans not feel proud enough of their service to even identify themselves?. Australians don’t engage in the same type of jingoism Americans do. It isn’t an issue that needs fixing, it is our culture. We see being in the military as a job just like any other, some roles in the military carry a greater risk of harm than most civilian jobs but then again a lot of them don’t, as ruprecht pointed out. It is a cultural difference because us Australians don’t automatically heap platitudes on people for belonging to a particular group, we recognise what we do as individuals. Just because people in America did it to you doesn’t mean that Australians should start doing the same. I’m sure if I was rescued by military forces I would thank them, just as if I had a doctor perform lifesaving surgery on me I would thank them or if I had a child who was struggling at school and a teacher went out of their way to help my child I would thank them, but would I automatically thank every single soldier, doctor or teacher I met? No. This proposal is getting almost exclusively negative feedback, even the Australian Defence Association isn’t supporting it. |
And that looks like it will be the end of that. Virgin have just issued this on social media: We are very mindful of the response that our announcement about recognising people who have served in defence has had today. It was a gesture genuinely done to pay respects to those who have served our country. Over the coming months, we will consult with community groups and our own team members who have served in defence to determine the best way forward. If this process determines that public acknowledgement of their service through optional priority boarding or any announcement is not appropriate, then we will certainly be respectful of that. |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 10301811)
So the ADMINO in the MEAO whose biggest risk was a paper cut gets to waltz on to the aircraft before a paramedic or a firefighter? Biggest. Joke. Ever. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10301829)
And that looks like it will be the end of that. Virgin have just issued this on social media: Looks like they’re backtracking on the proposal. |
Am sure our servicemen & women past & present know that Australians respect their service in our own special way Mention of how dangerous other professions can be is a little precious, comparing that to a job which requires you to be a target for an enemy. No H & S rep ever seen on a battle front. |
Originally Posted by Kranz
(Post 10301720)
The whole thing stinks of American patriotism. Next thing we know Tiger will be petitioning for all residential allotments to install flagpoles. I thank all past and present veterans, nay, ADF members - but in my experience, us Australians are a tad more humble. Let businesses put their money where their mouth is - if they truly value the service of the ADF then make financial contributions to necessary and underfunded veteran welfare services rather than embarrassingly singling out veterans for the pathetic benefit of boarding an aircraft 30 people earlier.
You want to recognise and honour our servicemen? Then get your butt out of bed next Anzac Day and attend your local dawn service. That's the AUSTRALIAN way of recognising our veterans. |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10301852)
Mention of how dangerous other professions can be is a little precious, comparing that to a job which requires you to be a target for an enemy. No H & S rep ever seen on a battle front. |
Just to make a point. In the USA only current serving military personnel in uniform get priority boarding. A Vet in civilian clothing has to wait like everyone else.
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